Ward/Kovalev 2...who wins?

[erics44]

No, hey.... you win the argument.

Nikolai Valuev was a better boxer than Sugar Ray Leonard because he's bigger.
Leonard certainly would've never beaten him in the ring, so Valuev is the better boxer.

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its a good point you make tho, comparing leonard and valuev

its a shame isn't it that leonard wouldn't have beaten valuev, everybody loves skill, itd be nice if skill in every sport would prevail

sometimes tho its just brute strength

if it was just down to skill then we could see women playing men at a level in tennis

kids playing professional football

that sort of thing

[Master]

You are a numpty eric44.

They have age, weight and gender categories reason but that does not mean you can not appreciate Serena Williams, GGG and under 21 football.

Much better than watching Valuev v Ruiz box one another.

[erics44]

You are a numpty eric44.

They have age, weight and gender categories reason but that does not mean you can not appreciate Serena Williams, GGG and under 21 football.

Much better than watching Valuev v Ruiz box one another.

I fully appreciate it

I prefer women's tennis by miles

doesn't mean I think they are better at tennis tho, in fact I agree with JM, Williams probably wouldn't be in the top 700 men

[erics44]

lb4lb tho, Williams is probably the best tennis player in the world

[Ron Swanson]

I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.

If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success

[erics44]

I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.

If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success

I don't think moving down in weight is relevant to the conversation

moving up and becoming HW champ would be

really think Leonard would beat Valuev?

[Ron Swanson]

I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.

If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success

I don't think moving down in weight is relevant to the conversation

moving up and becoming HW champ would be

really think Leonard would beat Valuev?

I don't think he'd do a bit of damage to him. But yes, I think he could move for 12 rounds and when he gets to his right pop in for a shot or 2 before escaping. Do that 3 or 4 times a round and win the rounds and thus the fight.

So you admit fighters have had far more success moving up in weight than down. Good, because the numbers show that comparison is not remotely close. I think it is relevant because if bigger guys are truly better the numbers would be even.

[TitoFan]

I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.

If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success

Sasquatch would have 36 minutes in which to simply swing those long tree trunks of his, and land anywhere on Leonard. Head, body, arms, whatever.
Put them in a small ring, and Leonard stands little to no chance.

[Ron Swanson]

I'd take Leonard against Valuev simply because he is so very much better at boxing. I don't think Valuev could lay a glove on him.

If Eric cares to start naming fighters that moved down in weight with great success I'll name 10 for every 1 he named that moved up in weight with great success

Sasquatch would have 36 minutes in which to simply swing those long tree trunks of his, and land anywhere on Leonard. Head, body, arms, whatever.
Put them in a small ring, and Leonard stands little to no chance.

So not only are we handicapping Leonard on size we are handicapping him with a small ring too? Any other handicaps the big guy needs?