Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[TitoFan]

Asinine WTC vs Grenfell Tower comparison.......... to poor vs. rich arguments on Grenfell victim relocation plans......... to nutritional supplements vs. traditional medicine for various serious ailments.

My my......... how these threads have a way of morphing.

[brocktonblockbust]

Asinine WTC vs Grenfell Tower comparison.......... to poor vs. rich arguments on Grenfell victim relocation plans......... to nutritional supplements vs. traditional medicine for various serious ailments.

My my......... how these threads have a way of morphing.

......a way of MORPHINE.

[TitoFan]

Asinine WTC vs Grenfell Tower comparison.......... to poor vs. rich arguments on Grenfell victim relocation plans......... to nutritional supplements vs. traditional medicine for various serious ailments.

My my......... how these threads have a way of morphing.

......a way of MORPHINE.

Nah..... I'm sure I meant "morphing."

[walrus]

Most people with AS are deficient in one or the other main nutrients I mentioned above. This clearly indicates a problem that accumulated over time. Fenster wasn't likely not born from day 1 with the problem and neither were you. Your body was likely not absorbing nutrients for whatever the reason was based upon your individual life circumstances. Doctors themselves admit that they do not know the cause and that usually puts it down to the default 'autoimmune' category. It can be regulated.

Your family sounds very unusual Beanz, but you were likely not absorbing nutrients because of any number of reasons. 99% of people are nutrient deficient despite eating as well as they can. You cannot get good nutrition from contemporary depleted soils or the foods grown in them. You said earlier what would I know. Well it has become my mission to understand as I know the price of mineral deficiency as do most people in one way or another.

I understand that Fenster is very sick and want him to get well. Please stop abusing me and don't slander one of the most advanced nutritional groups in the world today. The products are life changing for so many people and that should be respected. To have faith in medicine would have you on diabetes meds for life. Most of these things can be cured or relieved naturally and in the long run at less cost.

It's good to keep options open and at least consider alternatives. It doesn't hurt to suggest ideas. I already cired a friend who is over the moon with it. Same condition as you both and convinced something in his past triggered it. A smart, decent chap.

For fucks sake. Yes he was likely born with it. The genetic factor is clearly there just because you refuse to accept that. Stop pedaling your bullshit. It's not slander it's a fact. Wallach is a dangerous quack and you have fallen for his bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about and it's incredibly offensive to suggest that these things can be cured or relieved naturally by some magic PRODUCT. Your mineral deficiency campaign is just another form of evangelical nonsense like the crap that Shouty Alex Jones sells you fool.

That isn't proven either, so you cannot say 'the genetic factor is clearly there'. That's pedalling unproven bullshit too. You are ruling out the alternative without having even tried. You likely were not getting your nutritional balance. Youngevity has changed the lives of many people, just check out the comments online, check out the reviews, talk to friends who have used it. People like it because it has helped their health, because it works. Olympians have used it, sports stars have used it, friends of Presidents have used it and they have alleviated or cured things the medical establishment often could not. Those are some facts. There is nothing magic about nutrients, it is called nature and when we have the nutrients we need our bodies can produce incredible results. You have never looked into it, never tried it, and have just done a two minute slander run on Google. You are the fraud, old boy. You are likely sick because you didn't get the nutrition you need. I know it can be relieved as I have seen it with my own eyes. I didn't discover it, others said it might work for me too and so I am giving it a try. So far so good, but it's not a quick fix rebalancing so many years of unbalance. Take roseacea a condition doctors say has no permanent cure, well I have cured it naturally. Given time I would like to see what else I can do. Most people are missing something or other whence things going wrong.

Stop being such an arrogant fuckwit. How considering the prevalence of AS in my family could I deny the genetic factor? HLA-B27 is there for 88% of people with AS, it is inherited. 50% of first degree relatives with spondyloarthropathies are HLA-B27 positive. It is clearly hereditary. It is an auto immune disease whether you like it or not. Please stop lecturing on something you have little knowledge of. How dare you suggest that the children of a medicinal herbalist and nutritionist would not have looked into natural wholefoods and nutrients and the absorption of their properties, as though their mother would not have spent her life researching the best for her children . Twat.

Generally I support miles but I have to give #harshwords points to beanz on that one. He threw I the old -twat. Usually you will just see the harsh word twat stand alone. Adding a -twat, that is clever. Damn on review it merely says .twat so disregard everything I said, I need to get my eyes checked-twats

[brocktonblockbust]

Beanz is a hooligan shenanigan Mulligan yeoman.

[TitoFan]

Beanz is a hooligan shenanigan Mulligan yeoman.

Too many years on council estates with his threats of violence. It's also amazing how everyone in his family is disabled and yet supremely informed about health and how to live. It makes no sense. Why are they all so damn physically and mentally ill then? If it really is genetic it is another reason why people should think carefully before having any children. You don't want to put the Beanz curse on others. It would be terrible.

Miles, normally when someone is disabled or suffers some serious ailment, the normal course is to become knowledgeable about that very topic. I don't discuss my own personal life here, but I can tell you from experience that what I just said is the case. While you might be well-intentioned with your knowledge and experience on nutrition and supplements, it's not the answer for everyone or every condition. Shit happens, as they say. Nobody wants to be disabled or sick, but shit happens. When it does, you maintain a positive attitude, in addition to seeking the best medical help possible. If you can supplement that with healthy/ natural food, lifestyles, and vitamin supplements... more power to you. But sickness is a delicate and sensitive topic. We fight here all the time about all sorts of shit. We're all fought with each other at one time or another. But my two cents is that this is an area were you might well want to leave well enough alone. Fight about the rich and the poor..... fight about politics..... fight about boxing. But I'd gently extract myself from this particular battle.

[El Kabong]

The internet is the internet man, I don't divulge everything about myself on here I'm not retarded. In life I've been through some events and have had my ups and downs like anyone else, I don't attempt to bring those up in order to win arguments out of pity. The internet is a harsh place not because the people typing away on the keyboards don't have humanity, it's because just a screen name doesn't garner a sense of humanity and maybe I'm cynical (I think everyone is to a point these days) but just because you type something out on here about yourself doesn't mean it's irrefutably true.


Some folks share more about themselves than others, that's fine. Some folks don't share anything at all about themselves, that is also fine. Arguments and debates on here can and do get personal sometimes and when they do I think it's the best policy (not that I always 100% of the time end up doing it) to just try and leave emotion out of it and stick to the facts. If someone brings up personal things that makes a subject emotional for them, I try not to batter them with the information they openly and I would hope honestly shared....I try just to stay out of the emotional and stick to the facts and yeah sometimes that is difficult, I'm human, I make mistakes from time to time.

[Dark Lord Al]

There should be an inquest

Grenfell Tower residents should demand an inquest rather than a public inquiry to get answers about the tragedy, according to a solicitor who acted for people affected in the 2009 Lakanal House fire.
Sophie Khan said that in an inquest the Government would “lose control” and a jury would be able to deliver its conclusion regardless of whether it was uncomfortable to hear.
In a public inquiry, such as that ordered by the Prime Minister into the fire that killed at least 17 on Wednesday, a minister will set the terms of reference, which guide how the hearings proceed.


Ms Khan told BBC Newsnight: “In an inquest they lose control of what a jury verdict will do. Juries will come out with narrative verdicts which may be very difficult for the Government to hear.
“You can't have both, you can only have one or the other. They [residents] should really be demanding an inquest.
“I'm very concerned as to why Ms May came out so quickly to say, 'public inquiry'. What is there, that she knows, that needs to be hidden?”
She added: “We have to look at the fire assessments because here there is a fire issue as well. It's not just the council we need to look at. What were the fire brigade doing? Refurbishments have been done, what tests did they do on the building?”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7792891.html

No need to even be long winded , I know plenty about building regulations / bs standards / fire safety / and building control.
Its down to the architect to submit plans with a bs standard key for all fire /insulation / electrical ratings etc. If the contractors have not followed them they are liable , if the architect has made an error he is liable , that aside the building inspector should check all details before rubber stamping the building as safe. That my friends is why you pay the fee to building control.
Stinks to me as its taking so long , I feel many people may be for the gallows.
My guess is that the original plans where probably sound , the contactors may have cut corners on fire safety , and the building inspectors have passed it fit as a habitable building .

[El Kabong]

Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.



But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that

[Batman]

just because you type something out on here about yourself doesn't mean it's irrefutably true.

Are you trying to say you don't believe I am really Batman?

[brocktonblockbust]

Kill the wealthy and Trump they didn't earn a penny of it on their own they STOLE IT FROM THE POOR.



FFS

[El Kabong]

just because you type something out on here about yourself doesn't mean it's irrefutably true.

Are you trying to say you don't believe I am really Batman?

Something to that effect.......PERHAPS!

[Beanz]

Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that

This is the exact argument that people have been making though Lyle. It's our tax money. Our council tax, our income tax, our national insurance and the Tories in charge, whether that be councillors or MPs, are usually those same double barrelled surname rich aristocrats giving themselves 12% pay rises and then refusing to grant public sector workers (fire brigade,nurses,garbage collectors, state prosecutors, paramedics etc) more than 1%. So the working poors wages do not even keep up with inflation. These same politicians are lobbied by huge corporations with special interests who offer them places on the board and shares etc and so laws are made that again give them huge tax breaks and slack legislation that again punishes the working poor. It's happening in your country too. When huge corporates like Amazon and Google operate like states paying no tax and dictating policy, the flaws in the American model are obvious. Austerity and poor basic services and rights, like the right to not be burned alive for the working man, and pay rises and no tax for the top 1%. It does not make someone a communist to point this out.

[El Kabong]

Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that

This is the exact argument that people have been making though Lyle. It's our tax money. Our council tax, our income tax, our national insurance and the Tories in charge, whether that be councillors or MPs, are usually those same double barrelled surname rich aristocrats giving themselves 12% pay rises and then refusing to grant public sector workers (fire brigade,nurses,garbage collectors, state prosecutors, paramedics etc) more than 1%. So the working poors wages do not even keep up with inflation. These same politicians are lobbied by huge corporations with special interests who offer them places on the board and shares etc and so laws are made that again give them huge tax breaks and slack legislation that again punishes the working poor. It's happening in your country too. When huge corporates like Amazon and Google operate like states paying no tax and dictating policy, the flaws in the American model are obvious. Austerity and poor basic services and rights, like the right to not be burned alive for the working man, and pay rises and no tax for the top 1%. It does not make someone a communist to point this out.

Ah yes.....ONLY Tories.



I had a feeling that would be the response.






Carry on

[Beanz]

Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that

This is the exact argument that people have been making though Lyle. It's our tax money. Our council tax, our income tax, our national insurance and the Tories in charge, whether that be councillors or MPs, are usually those same double barrelled surname rich aristocrats giving themselves 12% pay rises and then refusing to grant public sector workers (fire brigade,nurses,garbage collectors, state prosecutors, paramedics etc) more than 1%. So the working poors wages do not even keep up with inflation. These same politicians are lobbied by huge corporations with special interests who offer them places on the board and shares etc and so laws are made that again give them huge tax breaks and slack legislation that again punishes the working poor. It's happening in your country too. When huge corporates like Amazon and Google operate like states paying no tax and dictating policy, the flaws in the American model are obvious. Austerity and poor basic services and rights, like the right to not be burned alive for the working man, and pay rises and no tax for the top 1%. It does not make someone a communist to point this out.

Ah yes.....ONLY Tories.



I had a feeling that would be the response.






Carry on

Yes because they do not believe in public services. If you think you know more about British politics than the Brits why would you even post in this thread? I have nothing against wealthy people I know people who own stately homes who are lovely people but there is no excuse for not paying your taxes or abusing the power that wealth gives you to keep other people down. I mean it's quite uncontroversial stuff but if you think those working in the public sector do not deserve a pay rise at least in line with inflation at 2.9% then you are aligning yourself with the Tories. In the Labour and every other parties manifesto they guaranteed a pay rise of above 1% for firemen etc. Even under the worst "new labour" government when I was a public sector worker for the CPS we were given a pay rise above inflation and certainly above 1%. So yes


Only the Tories