Ward vs Calzaghe

[Beanz]

And the bit you left out. Enzo lived in England from the ages of 2-10? Yes? So Enzo is basically nearly English, making Joe even more British, basically English a bit Welsh and far less Italian. At least we cleared that up.

[Kirkland Laing]

If it was in California and Ward was allowed to jab and grab and headbutt and low blow when he was in trouble then he'd have half a chance. In a British ring with Ward made to fight for twelve rounds Joe wins easily.

[Primo Carnera]

And the bit you left out. Enzo lived in England from the ages of 2-10? Yes? So Enzo is basically nearly English, making Joe even more British, basically English a bit Welsh and far less Italian. At least we cleared that up.

#squirming.

[Beanz]

And the bit you left out. Enzo lived in England from the ages of 2-10? Yes? So Enzo is basically nearly English, making Joe even more British, basically English a bit Welsh and far less Italian. At least we cleared that up.

#squirming.

Ok. You win. Joe is embarrassed to be British. Happy? Don't really know what you want me to say.

[Master]

And the bit you left out. Enzo lived in England from the ages of 2-10? Yes? So Enzo is basically nearly English, making Joe even more British, basically English a bit Welsh and far less Italian. At least we cleared that up.

#squirming.

Ok. You win. Joe is embarrassed to be British. Happy? Don't really know what you want me to say.

That Joe is Italian as pizza.

[Primo Carnera]

And the bit you left out. Enzo lived in England from the ages of 2-10? Yes? So Enzo is basically nearly English, making Joe even more British, basically English a bit Welsh and far less Italian. At least we cleared that up.

#squirming.

Ok. You win. Joe is embarrassed to be British. Happy? Don't really know what you want me to say.

That Joe is Italian as pizza.

Hey @Master, don't go giving it the big 'un, with your little remarks.
You started all this by saying I was being "Sacrilegious" clearly meaning YOU think Joe is Italian. 😉

[SalTheButcher]

ward destroys calzaghe

[erics44]

ward destroys calzaghe

wards never destroyed anyone

[Primo Carnera]

ward destroys calzaghe

wards never destroyed anyone

Possibly true. But he SCHOOLED Froch.

[Fenster]

Calzaghe is British whether he likes it or not.

As for the Italian/Welsh thing, he wore an Italian shirt to a big Wales-Italy rugby match, if I remember right. Taffies must have been seething... pretend it didn't happen, move on, move on

[erics44]

ward destroys calzaghe

wards never destroyed anyone

Possibly true. But he SCHOOLED Froch.

8-4 in America with an American ref and 3 American judges is a beating yes, not sure its a schooling

[Primo Carnera]

ward destroys calzaghe

wards never destroyed anyone

Possibly true. But he SCHOOLED Froch.

8-4 in America with an American ref and 3 American judges is a beating yes, not sure its a schooling

Firstly, in a World title fight (unification if I remember right,) winning twice as many rounds as your opponent is quite convincing.
Secondly, were they all 8-4, or were some wider?
Thirdly, as we've seen many times, we don't always agree with Judges, so I tend to go by what I see , and what I saw was Froch lead with his face to the extent that his nose looked like a giant beetroot and get completely schooled in every aspect of the fight.
Each to their own I suppose.

[erics44]

ward destroys calzaghe

wards never destroyed anyone

Possibly true. But he SCHOOLED Froch.

8-4 in America with an American ref and 3 American judges is a beating yes, not sure its a schooling

Firstly, in a World title fight (unification if I remember right,) winning twice as many rounds as your opponent is quite convincing.
Secondly, were they all 8-4, or were some wider?
Thirdly, as we've seen many times, we don't always agree with Judges, so I tend to go by what I see , and what I saw was Froch lead with his face to the extent that his nose looked like a giant beetroot and get completely schooled in every aspect of the fight.
Each to their own I suppose.

you can bum up to ward all day

that's fine

why froch has been brought up i don't know, the thread is JC v ward

and schooling and destroying are 2 completely different concepts

[Primo Carnera]

Calzaghe is British whether he likes it or not.

As for the Italian/Welsh thing, he wore an Italian shirt to a big Wales-Italy rugby match, if I remember right. Taffies must have been seething... pretend it didn't happen, move on, move on

mate, it was originally about what he FELT he was and what he felt a connection to. He's Welsh , and Wales is part of Britain, therefore he's British, but what does "British" mean?
Does he feel more English, Scots or Irish than he does Italian?
I think we should move on from this, but the only people who ever protest about this "British" thing are More often than not English. I don't see Scots , Welsh and Irish being so passionate about it. I wonder why?? just curious.

[Beanz]

Calzaghe is British whether he likes it or not.

As for the Italian/Welsh thing, he wore an Italian shirt to a big Wales-Italy rugby match, if I remember right. Taffies must have been seething... pretend it didn't happen, move on, move on

mate, it was originally about what he FELT he was and what he felt a connection to. He's Welsh , and Wales is part of Britain, therefore he's British, but what does "British" mean?
Does he feel more English, Scots or Irish than he does Italian?
I think we should move on from this, but the only people who ever protest about this "British" thing are More often than not English. I don't see Scots , Welsh and Irish being so passionate about it. I wonder why?? just curious.

The only one protesting about the British thing is you You said Britain's greatest ever SMW was Italian and the crux of your argument was


"I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack."