Wilder talks Joshua.

**Master** · 08-07-2017 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Hulk

Originally Posted by TitoFan

First thing that comes to mind is "careful what you wish for."

I like Wilder and his explosive power is the real deal. It's just that he's rather frail for his height and does not have a ton of boxing ability. Cheered him on as he bravely and cleverly outboxed Stiverne. However, when I saw Joshua for the first time against Martin, I knew he was the total package. I suspect Joshua hits nearly as hard as Wilder as well, but with world class boxing skills to go with the power.

True.

Wilder wants a big huge pay day against AJ, after seeing what was earned in the Wlad v AJ fight.

**GAME** · 08-12-2017 04:39 AM

It looks like there’s a 3 fight strategy for Joshua. Pulev-Mandatory, Ortiz -mandatory followed by a unification with Wilder. These are my early predictions on each fight

Of the 3, Ortiz and Wilder have potential to be most difficult. I’s not that Im giving Pulev no chance whatsoever but I think its relatively a safe 1^st fight. Pulev loses his composure under fire. He did a lot of silly things vs Wvlad on his biggest night like standing on one foot when he got hurt, holding his chin high in the air vs the taller man and generally fighting the way Klitschko wanted him to fight instead of getting back to his jab. When Joshua begins to find the range I don’t see this one lasting too long to be honest

Ortiz is a good fight. I can picture the Cuban winning this if Joshua hasn’t learnt his lessons from the Klitschko fight. In particularly like going for broke and emptying his own gas tank when he has his guy hurt. For Ortiz to take advantage of this he will need Joshua to unload on him first and for that to happen Joshua has to see that he has Ortiz hurt. Given the quality of Ortiz, I don’t think there will be many opportunities for Joshua to unload on him. The likelihood is that the Brit will just win the rounds behind his jab and 1,2 without risking getting countered by the crafty veteran. Had Ortiz got his shot afew years ago I think he would’ve become champ but hes abit old now. Joshua on points in that one.

Wilder is the big fight. I don’t really rate Deontay but Ive always thought if someone taught him the basics of boxing and how to utilise the physical gifts he’s got, hed be a very hard man to beat. Hes athletic, got a great reach. Doesn’t appear to gas and if he learnt to control fights behind a strong left hand he would be the goods. My problem with him is he is afraid to step up in class to really test himself and in terms of his style technically he doesn’t throw his punches correctly. Hes not pretty to watch with his windmill punches and if he fights scared vs Joshua in that fashion he’d be blown away. It’s a hard fight to call because with Joshuas added weight hes abit stiff and there’s questions marks over his own chin as Dylan Whyte was able to wobble him momentarily. Even though I lean towards Joshua winning vs Wilder at the moment I do think that with a good trainer and exposure to a higher level of opponent, Wilder could turn out to be the best thing in the division. Like Fury before him, if guys can’t land on him, the awkward gangly style can work to his advantage and the Deontay does have the power to fall back on when needed. Fingers crossed this goes ahead next summer and Ill be interested to see Wilders opponents between now as it may change my mind on his chances. Right now I don’t think hes ready for Joshua.

**Memphis** · 08-12-2017 01:02 PM

Interesting reading the similar threads. One thing is for certain, this whole Wilder Joshua situation is completely ass backwards. Wilder is and has been for a few years basically waiting to cash in on a Joshua fight. A big powerful mouthy American heavyweight champ who in terms of the colour of his belt, length of service and number of defences, should be considered the main man of the division and something of a global star. Instead he's playing second fiddle to a Brit with half the number of fights and he's desperate to get a piece of the pie.

Some of that goes for Ortiz too. He's going to wait on Joshua by the looks of things and do fuck all for 18 months.

Will Wilder have a fight of any kind in the mean time? Unless he goes at Stivern again, Dillian Whyte is probably his best fight out there but he dont seem to want that, or the 4 million dollars that comes with it

**Spicoli** · 08-14-2017 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Memphis

Interesting reading the similar threads. One thing is for certain, this whole Wilder Joshua situation is completely ass backwards. Wilder is and has been for a few years basically waiting to cash in on a Joshua fight. A big powerful mouthy American heavyweight champ who in terms of the colour of his belt, length of service and number of defences, should be considered the main man of the division and something of a global star. Instead he's playing second fiddle to a Brit with half the number of fights and he's desperate to get a piece of the pie.

Some of that goes for Ortiz too. He's going to wait on Joshua by the looks of things and do fuck all for 18 months.

Will Wilder have a fight of any kind in the mean time? Unless he goes at Stivern again, Dillian Whyte is probably his best fight out there but he dont seem to want that, or the 4 million dollars that comes with it

He definitely appears to be in the backseat right now. Reacting to divisions shifts rather than making them. Far as I know Stiverne is refusing any step aside exchange etc and the networks have shown little interest in picking this unneeded rematch up. Caught this a couple days ago chatting up Ortiz here...

**GaMo** · 08-14-2017 01:24 PM