Wilder talks Joshua.

[GAME]

It looks like there’s a 3 fight strategy for Joshua. Pulev-Mandatory, Ortiz -mandatory followed by a unification with Wilder. These are my early predictions on each fight

Of the 3, Ortiz and Wilder have potential to be most difficult. I’s not that Im giving Pulev no chance whatsoever but I think its relatively a safe 1^st fight. Pulev loses his composure under fire. He did a lot of silly things vs Wvlad on his biggest night like standing on one foot when he got hurt, holding his chin high in the air vs the taller man and generally fighting the way Klitschko wanted him to fight instead of getting back to his jab. When Joshua begins to find the range I don’t see this one lasting too long to be honest

Ortiz is a good fight. I can picture the Cuban winning this if Joshua hasn’t learnt his lessons from the Klitschko fight. In particularly like going for broke and emptying his own gas tank when he has his guy hurt. For Ortiz to take advantage of this he will need Joshua to unload on him first and for that to happen Joshua has to see that he has Ortiz hurt. Given the quality of Ortiz, I don’t think there will be many opportunities for Joshua to unload on him. The likelihood is that the Brit will just win the rounds behind his jab and 1,2 without risking getting countered by the crafty veteran. Had Ortiz got his shot afew years ago I think he would’ve become champ but hes abit old now. Joshua on points in that one.

Wilder is the big fight. I don’t really rate Deontay but Ive always thought if someone taught him the basics of boxing and how to utilise the physical gifts he’s got, hed be a very hard man to beat. Hes athletic, got a great reach. Doesn’t appear to gas and if he learnt to control fights behind a strong left hand he would be the goods. My problem with him is he is afraid to step up in class to really test himself and in terms of his style technically he doesn’t throw his punches correctly. Hes not pretty to watch with his windmill punches and if he fights scared vs Joshua in that fashion he’d be blown away. It’s a hard fight to call because with Joshuas added weight hes abit stiff and there’s questions marks over his own chin as Dylan Whyte was able to wobble him momentarily. Even though I lean towards Joshua winning vs Wilder at the moment I do think that with a good trainer and exposure to a higher level of opponent, Wilder could turn out to be the best thing in the division. Like Fury before him, if guys can’t land on him, the awkward gangly style can work to his advantage and the Deontay does have the power to fall back on when needed. Fingers crossed this goes ahead next summer and Ill be interested to see Wilders opponents between now as it may change my mind on his chances. Right now I don’t think hes ready for Joshua.

[Memphis]

Interesting reading the similar threads. One thing is for certain, this whole Wilder Joshua situation is completely ass backwards. Wilder is and has been for a few years basically waiting to cash in on a Joshua fight. A big powerful mouthy American heavyweight champ who in terms of the colour of his belt, length of service and number of defences, should be considered the main man of the division and something of a global star. Instead he's playing second fiddle to a Brit with half the number of fights and he's desperate to get a piece of the pie.

Some of that goes for Ortiz too. He's going to wait on Joshua by the looks of things and do fuck all for 18 months.

Will Wilder have a fight of any kind in the mean time? Unless he goes at Stivern again, Dillian Whyte is probably his best fight out there but he dont seem to want that, or the 4 million dollars that comes with it

[Spicoli]

Interesting reading the similar threads. One thing is for certain, this whole Wilder Joshua situation is completely ass backwards. Wilder is and has been for a few years basically waiting to cash in on a Joshua fight. A big powerful mouthy American heavyweight champ who in terms of the colour of his belt, length of service and number of defences, should be considered the main man of the division and something of a global star. Instead he's playing second fiddle to a Brit with half the number of fights and he's desperate to get a piece of the pie.

Some of that goes for Ortiz too. He's going to wait on Joshua by the looks of things and do fuck all for 18 months.

Will Wilder have a fight of any kind in the mean time? Unless he goes at Stivern again, Dillian Whyte is probably his best fight out there but he dont seem to want that, or the 4 million dollars that comes with it

He definitely appears to be in the backseat right now. Reacting to divisions shifts rather than making them. Far as I know Stiverne is refusing any step aside exchange etc and the networks have shown little interest in picking this unneeded rematch up. Caught this a couple days ago chatting up Ortiz here...

[GaMo]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

[Master]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

Wilder has been champion longer than AJ and yet Joshua has fought the better fighter already. Wilder is getting more desperate for the big pay day against the Brit.

[Ron Swanson]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

How does he make Joshua fight? His only option is to wait because Joshua said the fight needs to build.

I get that Wilder is incredibly flawed and his cv is garbage......but how boxing fandom has taken to favoring the popular guy when he admits he is delaying a fight and blaming the guy that wants the fight is beyond me.

[Memphis]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

How does he make Joshua fight? His only option is to wait because Joshua said the fight needs to build.

I get that Wilder is incredibly flawed and his cv is garbage......but how boxing fandom has taken to favoring the popular guy when he admits he is delaying a fight and blaming the guy that wants the fight is beyond me.

Likewise, I'm amazed that boxing fandom means all a guy has to do is post a video saying he wants a fight and that's all she wrote, his obligation is complete and if the other guy doesn't respond accordingly he's ducking.

What source are you referring to when you say Joshua is delaying this fight?

[Memphis]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

How does he make Joshua fight? His only option is to wait

But to answer your question. He doesnt need to make him fight, they'll fight. What he could do... Is take the silly money on offer for bashing up Dillian Whyte, or he could earn less but clear matters up somewhat by bashing up Louis Ortiz. Wilder and Ortiz have both posted videos saying they want to fight.

His only option is to wait? Seriously? You'd think he's have a bit more gumption, self respect, something..

[Master]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

How does he make Joshua fight? His only option is to wait because Joshua said the fight needs to build.

I get that Wilder is incredibly flawed and his cv is garbage......but how boxing fandom has taken to favoring the popular guy when he admits he is delaying a fight and blaming the guy that wants the fight is beyond me.

AJ has 2 mandatories and that is the main reason he can not fight Wilder.

[GaMo]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

How does he make Joshua fight? His only option is to wait because Joshua said the fight needs to build.

I get that Wilder is incredibly flawed and his cv is garbage......but how boxing fandom has taken to favoring the popular guy when he admits he is delaying a fight and blaming the guy that wants the fight is beyond me.

Wilder could call him out and throw a few insults his way if he doesn't respond
I'm not blaming Wilder, I'm just saying these two need to fight within the next 12 months
I like both guys and I'm not really rooting for anyone. I just want to see the fight.

[Ron Swanson]

I can talk Joshua too. Wilder needs to fight Joshua.

How does he make Joshua fight? His only option is to wait because Joshua said the fight needs to build.

I get that Wilder is incredibly flawed and his cv is garbage......but how boxing fandom has taken to favoring the popular guy when he admits he is delaying a fight and blaming the guy that wants the fight is beyond me.

Likewise, I'm amazed that boxing fandom means all a guy has to do is post a video saying he wants a fight and that's all she wrote, his obligation is complete and if the other guy doesn't respond accordingly he's ducking.

What source are you referring to when you say Joshua is delaying this fight?

Joshua said himself, no source, video. I'll be right back with it.

https://youtu.be/9pUPHiV7Qs8


This id just the first I've found, there are many "build it build it build it". It's also easy to find his promoter saying the same "build it" comment except adding another fight.

Master-no, that mandatory is not necessarily. Pulev or Wilder he is in the exact same spot. If he fights Wilder he loses a belt but he wins a belt. Same spot. Difference being he would probably be the mandatory coming back at the IBF.

It's a matter of taking the safer route.

And just for clarity, I really like AJ and hate Wilder. But people need to stop believing nonsense. If they want to fight they can fight. One guy says he wants it(maybe he does, maybe he doesn't) if the other guy wants it we get it.

I can go through fight after fight not being made where the popular fighter just gets a pass. It shouldn't matter who you like. We're boxing fans, we should want boxing.

[Ron Swanson]

Since links don't work in edits for some reason, here is it "Joshua says Wilder fight needs to build and explains why"

https://youtu.be/9pUPHiV7Qs8

There are many others, just added another fight into build time. First it was Klit then Pulev. Now it is Pulev then Ortiz. Dropped a fight but still the same amount of time hmmm

[Ron Swanson]

For clarity since I said Wilder can't force a AJ fight and I said he has no option he must wait, I did not mean he should sit idle. I meant wait on that fight. I'd love to see him take a tough fight, I just don't expect it.

My problem is this fight has already been talked about a long time. But it was "let them become champions first" from a business perspective that makes sense. But from a wanting to see the fight perspective, no fight.

Then it was it needs to build.

Then Klit fight, great business move, no fight though.

Then it was Klit rematch and Pulev, then we will.

Now it is Pulev and another fight then we will. We are no closer to the fight. Earlier Eddie was "I want a Wilder fight in 2017" now it is Pulev and another fight. We are 2/3 of the way through 2017 and 2 more fights before a AJ/Wilder fight by their opinion. That means we would be lucky to see it in 2018 at the rate people fight.

And it's delayed under the false pretense that these 2 fights between are necessary. They aren't. They make sense for money, if the safest route to money is the goal. For a promoter, sure, for the fighter and his family, sure. But for fans that want to see a fight, no.

[Master]

The interviewer was leading AJ about building the fight.

AJ said he has to fight Pulev, now that we know Wlad has retired.

[Primo Carnera]

All of this just goes to show how difficult it is when you have multiple belts to make the big fights.
Wlad used to get untold amounts of shit for some of the guys he fought . Now people are realizing that you have an endless stream of mandatories. so what do you do? drop a belt or two? what's the fucking point, the whole idea is to become the undisputed champion and have all the belts. you work hard to get them, then you have to drop them. can't be right, can it?
of course, when it was Wlad he was ducking people, now it's AJ , people have seen the light!
As for Wilder, he can talk as much as he likes, because he knows the fight can't be made just yet. If he wants the fight, and it can't be made yet, you don't fucking whinge and mope about it. go out there and make some decent fights , and if you're good enough, you'll beat these guys and maybe, just maybe, become the "A-Side".