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What do we make of this? Yamanaka was top 10 P4P before. Does it say more about who Nery will be or more about where Yamanaka is now?

https://youtu.be/vHcMuAsPc8A
Now , some people aren't going to agree with me and fair enough. First and foremost, the p4p is a meaningless crock of shit after #1,2&3.
Secondly, I have a theory that at the really low weights, they don't carry much kudos for p4p. The reasons being :
A. Less people fight at these weights, people in the World are getting bigger, taller, heavier. Therefore , to be the best, there's less competition.
B. Because every guy at these low,low weights carries no surplus ounces, they're all fit as fleas, they're all quick as fuck and because they are so "levelled", there's more chance of titles changing hands more often. Naturally there are exceptions to every rule and I know Yamanake was champ for a long time, but by and large I believe this theory applies.
Come on then, I'm giving you all a chance to make me look stupid!
Theory B. would imply the level of competition is far greater at lower weights, no? Apart from the physical superiority en masse you've outlined, it makes sense that titles will change hands more frequently amongst a pool of competition of equal standard. And by that reasoning would make standout fighters more worthy than any to be considered special (P4P).

A? It's only true of the very two smallest divisions that there's significantly less pros per division. Bantamweight (which is the weight of this thread) has over a thousand registered pros, virtually the same amount as lightheavy. Then factor in that it's far more likely for smaller weight fighters to explore surrounding divisions and you can make a case for them having more top-drawer competition than heavier weights.
All I would say, is how many 12 stone blokes do you see walk the streets? And how many 8 stone blokes do you see walk the streets?
In the west people are bigger, for sure.

Not sure what your point is to be honest? (not being funny or anything)
right, let me try to explain myself better, I know I didn't do that , hope this is more understandable. I did say I was there to be shot down in flames and my theory is a touch contradictory in parts, but in essence, what I'm saying is that there are less fighters at the really low weights (this being at the top end of that),
and so you can become a champion and consequently have a better chance of staying a champion for a longer time, making you appear to be more credible in the p4p rankings.
add to this (and this is admittedly a bit contradictory) ANY 8 stone guy is tip top fit, throws a million punches and is quick as fuck, because they're 8 stone.
this means that you can have "upsets" and fluctuations on a more regular basis. the contradiction is "well if that's the case , Yamanake should have MORE kudos for being a champion as long as he was?"
so Yamanake wasn't a great example, but that's what my theory is all about.
I know, it's still not that clear, is it? just forget about it, I'm having a funny one.