Golovkin-Canelo OFFICIAL!!!- Sept 16th

[Master]

Golovkin is the outsider in this one. A thoroughly decent guy and a great fighter who has never got the paydays he deserved.

I think he comes across very arrogant and full of his own hype
He hasn’t deserved the big paydays because he hasn’t stepped up
He could’ve gone to 168 and fought Ward (HBO would’ve paid him)
Even Abraham or Froch would have been career high paydays for him
Personally, I can’t wait to see Canelo beat this guy up and end the hype.

You are taking the piss, if anyone is overhyped and protected it is Canelo.

[GaMo]

Golovkin is the outsider in this one. A thoroughly decent guy and a great fighter who has never got the paydays he deserved.

I think he comes across very arrogant and full of his own hype
He hasn’t deserved the big paydays because he hasn’t stepped up
He could’ve gone to 168 and fought Ward (HBO would’ve paid him)
Even Abraham or Froch would have been career high paydays for him
Personally, I can’t wait to see Canelo beat this guy up and end the hype.

You are taking the piss, if anyone is overhyped and protected it is Canelo.

What? Canelo has beaten the far better fighters...

Alfredo Angulo
Shane Mosley
Erislandy Lara
Miguel Cotto
Austin Trout
Liam Smith
Kermit Cintron
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr

The only good fighter Golovkin has beaten is Jacobs (barely)
You'll bring up Brook but he was a welterweight (I didn't add Khan for that reason)
I think Khan is better than Brook anyway but I'm sure you'll disagree.

[Master]

Golovkin is the outsider in this one. A thoroughly decent guy and a great fighter who has never got the paydays he deserved.

I think he comes across very arrogant and full of his own hype
He hasn’t deserved the big paydays because he hasn’t stepped up
He could’ve gone to 168 and fought Ward (HBO would’ve paid him)
Even Abraham or Froch would have been career high paydays for him
Personally, I can’t wait to see Canelo beat this guy up and end the hype.

You are taking the piss, if anyone is overhyped and protected it is Canelo.

What? Canelo has beaten the far better fighters...

Alfredo Angulo
Shane Mosley
Erislandy Lara
Miguel Cotto
Austin Trout
Liam Smith
Kermit Cintron
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr

The only good fighter Golovkin has beaten is Jacobs (barely)
You'll bring up Brook but he was a welterweight (I didn't add Khan for that reason)
I think Khan is better than Brook anyway but I'm sure you'll disagree.

GGG has fought better middleweights and that is where the fight will happen. That is all that matters.

Canelo has barely beaten the good names on your list with help from hometown judges and cheating at the weight.

[Batman]

It's my mates 40th birthday next Saturday and I was expected to go.
It's going to be an all day event with plenty of drinking.

Unfortunately it'd cost me about £40 quid to get home in a taxi and there is no one that I can blag an overnight stay with...looks like I'm going to have to miss it which means I'll have to stay in and watch the fucking boxing all night...im absolutely devastated that I can't make it :-)

In all fairness it could have been next door and I still wouldn't have gone, no fucking way am I missing this fight for anyone.

[GaMo]

If anything, Canelo also has stayed away from punchers. GGG has not (see Lemiuex and Stevens)

So Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo all can’t punch?
They all have very decent knockout percentages.

Curtis Stevens is a big puncher based on what?
I know HBO hyped him up before the GGG fight
But let’s be honest, he’s just an average fighter.

Lemieux is a decent puncher but who has he knocked out?
Three of his last six fights have gone the distance.

Jacobs punches hard than both Lemieux and Stevens IMO

GGG has fought better middleweights and that is where the fight will happen. That is all that matters.

Canelo has barely beaten the good names on your list with help from hometown judges and cheating at the weight.

Of course, he’s beaten the better fighters at 160
He’s spent his whole career at middleweight.

However, Alvarez beat Cotto, who beat Martinez
Who was the Middleweight champion of the world.

I don’t think Alvarez has ever cheated or been gifted a win
The Lara fight was close but so was the Jacobs fight for GGG.

[Master]

Forget the lineal nonsense, GGG is the true champion and Cotto and Saul both avoided fighting GGG for a simple reason that he would beat them.

Now Canelo and GBP think that GGG is getting old and looked slow against Jacobs they feel confident that that they can win in Vegas.

GGG is going to destroy Canelo.

[GaMo]

GGG is going to destroy Canelo.

Not a chance he might win a few rounds on workrate
But he'll be out classed for most of it. Looking forward to the excuses
I'm sure we'll hear loads from the GGG fans after their boy gets owned.

[Master]

GGG is going to destroy Canelo.

Not a chance he might win a few rounds on workrate
But he'll be out classed for most of it. Looking forward to the excuses
I'm sure we'll hear loads from the GGG fans after their boy gets owned.

I can not wait for your excuses from you when the ginger one loses this fight.

[Rantcatrat]

If anything, Canelo also has stayed away from punchers. GGG has not (see Lemiuex and Stevens)

So Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo all can’t punch?
They all have very decent knockout percentages.

Curtis Stevens is a big puncher based on what?
I know HBO hyped him up before the GGG fight
But let’s be honest, he’s just an average fighter.

Lemieux is a decent puncher but who has he knocked out?
Three of his last six fights have gone the distance.

Jacobs punches hard than both Lemieux and Stevens IMO

GGG has fought better middleweights and that is where the fight will happen. That is all that matters.

Canelo has barely beaten the good names on your list with help from hometown judges and cheating at the weight.

Of course, he’s beaten the better fighters at 160
He’s spent his whole career at middleweight.

However, Alvarez beat Cotto, who beat Martinez
Who was the Middleweight champion of the world.

I don’t think Alvarez has ever cheated or been gifted a win
The Lara fight was close but so was the Jacobs fight for GGG.

Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo are all welterweight/junior middleweights, and when they faced Canelo, other than Cotto, they were (less than) shades of their former selves. And Cotto hasn't been known as a puncher at that weight. So, no they all have were well picked opponents for Canelo.
Canelo's big wins were against Trout and Lara. And those are solid wins.

What they say about punching power is the better puncher in a fight is the guy who can take the other guys' power more. With that said, who do you think can take each other's punches better here?

[GaMo]

@Rantcatrat I think they both have good chins
And I expect this fight to go the full 12 rounds
Without either man touching the canvas.

[Alpha]

If anything, Canelo also has stayed away from punchers. GGG has not (see Lemiuex and Stevens)

So Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo all can’t punch?
They all have very decent knockout percentages.

Curtis Stevens is a big puncher based on what?
I know HBO hyped him up before the GGG fight
But let’s be honest, he’s just an average fighter.

Lemieux is a decent puncher but who has he knocked out?
Three of his last six fights have gone the distance.

Jacobs punches hard than both Lemieux and Stevens IMO

GGG has fought better middleweights and that is where the fight will happen. That is all that matters.

Canelo has barely beaten the good names on your list with help from hometown judges and cheating at the weight.

Of course, he’s beaten the better fighters at 160
He’s spent his whole career at middleweight.

However, Alvarez beat Cotto, who beat Martinez
Who was the Middleweight champion of the world.

I don’t think Alvarez has ever cheated or been gifted a win
The Lara fight was close but so was the Jacobs fight for GGG.

Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo are all welterweight/junior middleweights, and when they faced Canelo, other than Cotto, they were (less than) shades of their former selves. And Cotto hasn't been known as a puncher at that weight. So, no they all have were well picked opponents for Canelo.
Canelo's big wins were against Trout and Lara. And those are solid wins.

Solid opponents. The wins were anything but solid.

[Rantcatrat]

Golovkin is the outsider in this one. A thoroughly decent guy and a great fighter who has never got the paydays he deserved.

I think he comes across very arrogant and full of his own hype
He hasn’t deserved the big paydays because he hasn’t stepped up
He could’ve gone to 168 and fought Ward (HBO would’ve paid him)
Even Abraham or Froch would have been career high paydays for him
Personally, I can’t wait to see Canelo beat this guy up and end the hype.

You are taking the piss, if anyone is overhyped and protected it is Canelo.

What? Canelo has beaten the far better fighters...

Alfredo Angulo
Shane Mosley
Erislandy Lara
Miguel Cotto
Austin Trout
Liam Smith
Kermit Cintron
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr

The only good fighter Golovkin has beaten is Jacobs (barely)
You'll bring up Brook but he was a welterweight (I didn't add Khan for that reason)
I think Khan is better than Brook anyway but I'm sure you'll disagree.

The Lara win is comparable to the Jacobs win for GGG. People make the the same complaint about that win for Canelo that they do about GGG's over Jacobs, although I believe that Canelo and GGG beat them in close but comfortable decisions.

The rest of Canelo's wins are no better or worse than GGG's. If anything, Canelo also has stayed away from punchers. GGG has not (see Lemiuex and Stevens); indicative that the Canelo braintrust might have questions about Canelo's durability. Makes sense considering Cotto's brother stunning Canelo at 154 back in the day. GGG hasn't been shook up in any fight.

With that said, the speed of Brook clearly troubled GGG for a bit in their fight. Canelo is faster than Brook. Canelo's reflexes are better than Brook too.

There is a blueprint to beat GGG and it requires size and good footwork. Jacobs was successful at boxing and moving albeit he too hit the canvas. Although an exceptional boxer, Canelo is flat footed, doesn't move exceptionally well, and isn't taller/bigger than GGG.

The caveat here is whether the decline in GGG is genuine or a product of good competition. He's a 35 year old middleweight and drug-tested. At some point, he has to slow down a little bit.

At the end of the day, it is a good, competitive fight. No way to think otherwise.

Everything said, GGG faces Canelo in Vegas in front of a largely pro-Canelo crowd; it is tough to imagine GGG winning a decision. Safe bet therefore seems to be Canelo on the cards hedged with GGG by knockout.