Who's The Best

[Master]

The funk you waffling bout Eric?

Leonard and Roy both fought at middleweight.

Leonard and Floyd both fought at welter.

Therefore, Leonard could have met both of them.

Leonard lost to a lightweight, a pomp Roy would never lose to a fighter 2 weights below him

Leonard would lose to Floyd at welterweight

Leonard would lose to Roy at middleweight

Leonard lost to a great former lightweight and avenged that loss.

[TitoFan]

SRL - 10
RJJ - 4
Floyd - 2


The majority of the forum knows its boxing.

[GaMo]

He definitely didn't clean out 160, 168 or Heavyweight
But he beat the best at 168 (Toney) and the best at 160 (Hopkins)
Guys like Eubank and Benn never seemed in a rush to fight him
Ottke and Calzaghe never left home. At 175 Jones was the man
So much so that I think he'd have an easy night with Andre Ward.

Roy never left home either (forget the excuses, I know them all, just stating a fact). The only reason he had the IBF/WBA titles at LH was because Michalczewski was stripped after beating Hill. The Ring changed their rules to gift/promote Roy.

So unless you believe Americans should get special dispensation for being American Roy should have travelled to challenge the true champ - Michalczewski.

Fair point but like I said, Germany was corrupt back then
Extremely bad judging and unprofessional refereeing
Meant that Jones would have to have scored a knockout to win.

Just look at Sven Ottke's unbeaten title reign as an example

I've seen a few Ottke "robberies" that weren't robberies, they were close/debatable decisions that he had every right to win. People claim "robbery" about disputed decisions week in week out, especially when they haven't seen the fights they're talking about.

Foreign fighters in America claim it's corrupt/inept when they lose too.

It's been a while since I have seen these fights
So maybe you're correct but I seem to remember
Robin Reid knocking him down and it getting ruled a slip
Then Reid losing two or three points for nothing
Didn't he actually get warned at one stage for punching?
Like I said it's been a while so I could be wrong
I actually remember Reid beating both Ottke and Calzaghe.

[Fenster]

It's been a while since I have seen these fights
So maybe you're correct but I seem to remember
Robin Reid knocking him down and it getting ruled a slip
Then Reid losing two or three points for nothing
Didn't he actually get warned at one stage for punching?
Like I said it's been a while so I could be wrong
I actually remember Reid beating both Ottke and Calzaghe.

The ref was pathetic/inept/biased but Reid wasn't robbed on the cards, it was a close fight that he threw away down the stretch when he got tired/ran out of ideas (imo).

I don't think he was robbed against Calzaghe either, he also claims he was "robbed" against Lacy. Why? Because the Americans (team Lacy) treated him so badly. They didn't provide adequate accommodation/food/transport/training conditions so he was handicapped on the night. If the fight was in England he would have won (so he says).

That's my point about fighters/fans crying robbery. Doesn't matter who it is or where they come from there's always someone claiming unfair treatment/corruption. Americans say Britian is corrupt, Britain says Germany, Germany says America and so on and on.

[Mr140]

Leonard was the best in my eyes and manged to be fighting in a era with a lot of legends who he manged to come out on top against. His comeback out of retirement to beat the mw goat is pretty much unheard of.

[GaMo]

It's been a while since I have seen these fights
So maybe you're correct but I seem to remember
Robin Reid knocking him down and it getting ruled a slip
Then Reid losing two or three points for nothing
Didn't he actually get warned at one stage for punching?
Like I said it's been a while so I could be wrong
I actually remember Reid beating both Ottke and Calzaghe.

The ref was pathetic/inept/biased but Reid wasn't robbed on the cards, it was a close fight that he threw away down the stretch when he got tired/ran out of ideas (imo).

I don't think he was robbed against Calzaghe either, he also claims he was "robbed" against Lacy. Why? Because the Americans (team Lacy) treated him so badly. They didn't provide adequate accommodation/food/transport/training conditions so he was handicapped on the night. If the fight was in England he would have won (so he says).

That's my point about fighters/fans crying robbery. Doesn't matter who it is or where they come from there's always someone claiming unfair treatment/corruption. Americans say Britian is corrupt, Britain says Germany, Germany says America and so on and on.

Reid wasn't robbed on the cards because of the referee
If he had of properly ruled the knockdown and not taken points
Then I imagine the cards would've been in Reid's favour.

The Abraham-Miranda fight was another example
Of bad judging and even worse refereeing in Germany.

The Calzaghe fight was close but Reid landed the better shots
All the clean, hard effective punches came from him.
I thought he did enough to win a close decision
But it was close. He obviously wasn't robbed against Lacy
He got floored multiple times, fouled and complained all night.

[Spicoli]

Still say if you want true dedicated corrupt ref Argentina takes the cake. Only takes one unchecked man on an ego trip to dictate the big picture flow of a fight.

[palmerq]

People always talk like sven ottke never actually won a fight but he was actually a monsterous power puncher

high quality video alert
https://youtu.be/r97Qq8s119s?t=188

see he actually ko'd someone ! and anthony the man mundine too...he's called the man he must be good... also kessler couldnt ko the man so ottke > kessler :S

[Fenster]

It's been a while since I have seen these fights
So maybe you're correct but I seem to remember
Robin Reid knocking him down and it getting ruled a slip
Then Reid losing two or three points for nothing
Didn't he actually get warned at one stage for punching?
Like I said it's been a while so I could be wrong
I actually remember Reid beating both Ottke and Calzaghe.

The ref was pathetic/inept/biased but Reid wasn't robbed on the cards, it was a close fight that he threw away down the stretch when he got tired/ran out of ideas (imo).

I don't think he was robbed against Calzaghe either, he also claims he was "robbed" against Lacy. Why? Because the Americans (team Lacy) treated him so badly. They didn't provide adequate accommodation/food/transport/training conditions so he was handicapped on the night. If the fight was in England he would have won (so he says).

That's my point about fighters/fans crying robbery. Doesn't matter who it is or where they come from there's always someone claiming unfair treatment/corruption. Americans say Britian is corrupt, Britain says Germany, Germany says America and so on and on.

Reid wasn't robbed on the cards because of the referee
If he had of properly ruled the knockdown and not taken points
Then I imagine the cards would've been in Reid's favour.

The Abraham-Miranda fight was another example
Of bad judging and even worse refereeing in Germany.

The Calzaghe fight was close but Reid landed the better shots
All the clean, hard effective punches came from him.
I thought he did enough to win a close decision
But it was close. He obviously wasn't robbed against Lacy
He got floored multiple times, fouled and complained all night.

Yes it's all about opinion.

Who won? Depends on who you ask. Worst country for dodgy decisions? Depends on who you ask.

[Fenster]

Lawrence Cole (P4P no.1)

[erics44]

The funk you waffling bout Eric?

Leonard and Roy both fought at middleweight.

Leonard and Floyd both fought at welter.

Therefore, Leonard could have met both of them.

Leonard lost to a lightweight, a pomp Roy would never lose to a fighter 2 weights below him

Leonard would lose to Floyd at welterweight

Leonard would lose to Roy at middleweight

Leonard lost to a great former lightweight and avenged that loss.

still lost to a lightweight

who lost to every other half decent fighter he fought above lightweight

that alone puts Leonard last on this list

[Master]

The funk you waffling bout Eric?

Leonard and Roy both fought at middleweight.

Leonard and Floyd both fought at welter.

Therefore, Leonard could have met both of them.

Leonard lost to a lightweight, a pomp Roy would never lose to a fighter 2 weights below him

Leonard would lose to Floyd at welterweight

Leonard would lose to Roy at middleweight

Leonard lost to a great former lightweight and avenged that loss.

still lost to a lightweight

who lost to every other half decent fighter he fought about lightweight

that alone puts Leonard last on this list

Duran was one of, if the not the best lightweight in history, just because he lost does not mean they are not better than Floyd. Zero on a record does not mean you are the best, otherwise Sven Ottke would be one of the greatest champions of all time.

[erics44]

Duran was an exceptional lightweight

but lets be honest he won little above lightweight, leonard was his best win by a million miles

[Master]

Duran was an exceptional lightweight

but lets be honest he won little above lightweight, leonard was his best win by a million miles

To show how great Duran was past his best weight he beat undefeated Leonard (welterweight title), Moore (super welterweight title), took Hagler to points and beat Barkley for middleweight title being under 40. Amazing.

[erics44]

Duran was an exceptional lightweight

but lets be honest he won little above lightweight, leonard was his best win by a million miles

To show how great Duran was past his best weight he beat undefeated Leonard (welterweight title), Moore (super welterweight title), took Hagler to points and beat Barkley for middleweight title being under 40. Amazing.

yeah he did well, still would never have beaten Floyd or Jones

and he beat Leonard