Colin Kaepernick and the absurdity of the NFL

[TitoFan]

Colin Kaepernick and whomever else wishes to join in can protest the National Anthem all they like it is their freedom to do so....however teams can choose to or not to sign him based on the baggage he carries with him due to his outspokenness. Fans may also choose to watch or choose not to watch the NFL, I have chosen to not watch the NFL not necessarily just because of National Anthem protests (which I think are the height of absurdity) but also because of the various rule changes and changes to the core of the game.....I played FOOTBALL, I don't recall ever having a flag thrown on me for hitting a defenseless player. When I played people were responsible for their own safety and they weren't victims. I don't know if I can ever appreciate football the same way really, the NFL used to be all about the big hits, and nobody not 1 single fucking person ever said "Oh Concussions are great for you! Being smacked in the head really clears out the cobwebs " but whatever the NFL and most importantly ESPN have chosen their path and they have decided they are more interested in bullshit than sports.



Is Colin Kaepernick a GOOD QB? Then why bitch about him not playing? Oh, OOOOOH he's black and he wants to stick it to the USA for being horribly racist because HE suffered sooooo much....the percentage of black players in the NFL? African-American men are 6% of the United States population, they take up 70% of NFL rosters.....yeah, oh so fucking racist.

Really Lyle? You're going to use the percentages defense to show how the NFL is so given to the normal black community? I'm gonna assume that one just got by you, because I don't want to believe you really believe that crock of horseshit you just spouted. So then are we to say that white players are discriminated against in the NFL because 70% of the players are black? C'mon. Think about the ridiculousness of that statement.

You can dislike Colin all you like. He feels a certain way, and he's chosen to express it. Unfortunately, you've got millions of Brocks out there who just say "fuck Colin, he's a piece of human garbage", without knowing the first thing about the man.

The fact is, he's good enough to be starting for a number of teams right now, and he's being blackballed by the cowardly and/or racist owners (or both). That may be good by you, but it doesn't cut it with me.

[Beanz]

Sounds like Freedom of speech in some people's books is only extended to those whom agree with them. No consequence for being a Nazi but be black and speak out you have to suffer the consequences.

[El Kabong]

Really Lyle? You're going to use the percentages defense to show how the NFL is so given to the normal black community? I'm gonna assume that one just got by you, because I don't want to believe you really believe that crock of horseshit you just spouted. So then are we to say that white players are discriminated against in the NFL because 70% of the players are black? C'mon. Think about the ridiculousness of that statement.

You can dislike Colin all you like. He feels a certain way, and he's chosen to express it. Unfortunately, you've got millions of Brocks out there who just say "fuck Colin, he's a piece of human garbage", without knowing the first thing about the man.

The fact is, he's good enough to be starting for a number of teams right now, and he's being blackballed by the cowardly and/or racist owners (or both). That may be good by you, but it doesn't cut it with me.

Alright then (I had to bust that out again....do you even understand how upset that makes me?)

Colin Kaepernick to opt out, become free agent
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-opts-contract

Wut? He HAD a contract and then CHOSE to opt out? My my my


Yeah I used percentages to show the average person that the NFL (owners, coaches, players, etc) don't give a fuck about race or beliefs they care if you make the team better and apparently snaking a teammate's girlfriend and becoming Mr. Black Lives Matter and having that girlfriend target a franchise hero like Ray Lewis when you're attempting to get signed PROBABLY......PROBABLY.......I said PROBABLY isn't a helpful thing.

Why isn't Tim Tebow playing bruh? Oh that's right.....baggage, not good enough. B-b-b-but Colin is different!!!! Johnny Manziel, where is he? Oh yeah, not good enough, baggage.


As free as Colin is to say what he wants to say brockton is just as free to boycott the NFL or say whatever he wants to about Colin.....free speech, where turnabout is fair play


Where would he start? Who should sign him?

[Spicoli]

Basically he's an independent contractor looking for work regardless of stats. You're a walking billboard and a franchise will consider every aspect of your hire, including adhering to team-company policy and rules as well as performance. Try bucking the most basic protocols when you next walk into your job where they do not want to have your personal belief become the focus regardless of how passionate right or wrong you may be. I don't think it's a black, white or rainbow thing really but that becomes the tag. It's a do your job and don't make my office your personal soapbox thing.

Honestly though I have a bigger problem watching guys like Dante Stallworth being paraded all over sports shows to give opinion on "moral' aspects and player rights etc.

[brocktonblockbust]

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[TitoFan]

Why isn't Tim Tebow playing bruh? Oh that's right.....baggage, not good enough. B-b-b-but Colin is different!!!! Johnny Manziel, where is he? Oh yeah, not good enough, baggage.

You don't follow the NFL anymore, so you can be forgiven for the comparisons.

Tim Tebow?? He of the shotput throwing motion? The one that takes 15 seconds to unfold? Nah.... He was given his breaks. Now he's off playing baseball.

Johnny "I'm Sorry" Manziel?? The guy's been given more breaks than a 2-foot pretzel and he still doesn't get it that he can't be a lawless moron and still play in the NFL. Besides, being good in college doesn't always carry into the NFL.

Yes, Colin IS different. For starters, he led his team to the Super Bowl after the 2012 season. How many Super Bowls have Tebow and Manziel led their teams to? I'll wait.........






Yes, I get it. Colin represents the black resentment toward racism that you and Brock despise so much. That doesn't mean he's not entitled to his opinion, or to express given opinion. Or..... is that only reserved for marching KKK and White Supremacists groups? Kaepernick has done nothing..... I repeat..... NOTHING wrong. You, me, and the rest of civilization know that he's being held out of the NFL for his protests. No other reason.

[brocktonblockbust]

That piece of s*** is whiter than me he might be like 3.5% black

[jagod12]

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[Freedom]

Colin Kaepernick is an over-privileged spoiled crybaby and a traitor to his country.

He was raised by affluent white parents and has had every imaginable opportunity in life.

[El Kabong]

@Spicoli spot on call about Donte Stallworth also how many wife beaters are there in the NFL and they never have a hard time finding a gig.

You don't follow the NFL anymore, so you can be forgiven for the comparisons.

Tim Tebow?? He of the shotput throwing motion? The one that takes 15 seconds to unfold? Nah.... He was given his breaks. Now he's off playing baseball.

Johnny "I'm Sorry" Manziel?? The guy's been given more breaks than a 2-foot pretzel and he still doesn't get it that he can't be a lawless moron and still play in the NFL. Besides, being good in college doesn't always carry into the NFL.

Yes, Colin IS different. For starters, he led his team to the Super Bowl after the 2012 season. How many Super Bowls have Tebow and Manziel led their teams to? I'll wait.........






Yes, I get it. Colin represents the black resentment toward racism that you and Brock despise so much. That doesn't mean he's not entitled to his opinion, or to express given opinion. Or..... is that only reserved for marching KKK and White Supremacists groups? Kaepernick has done nothing..... I repeat..... NOTHING wrong. You, me, and the rest of civilization know that he's being held out of the NFL for his protests. No other reason.

Tito,


Would you calm down for just a second? Just take out the name, take out the emotion, take out everything but the FACTS and really think this through.

Tim Tebow was not a Pro style QB he simply wasn't. However, dude took a 1-4 Broncos team to the Playoffs, a lot of that had to do with their defense but Tebow was the QB and they get credit for winning just like they get blame for losing. So say what you will, Tebow was a WINNER. And allow me to post this here from his Wikipedia: Despite his success with the Broncos—he compiled a record of 8–6 as a starting quarterback and led the team to the playoffs and a playoff win (after they started 1-4)—he did not start again in the NFL. No other quarterback under 30 in NFL history has won a playoff game and then never started another NFL game.....was THAT racism? was THAT bigotry? was THAT called out ever? NO! Given breaks my ass, he never started again, NEVER AGAIN!!!!! But he didn't whine or complain or bitch on social media, he wasn't a victim about it, he just moved on.

Johnny Manziel another NOT Pro style QB. He was given 1 opportunity, 1.....to play in Cleveland and he had off the field issues and also that entire team sucked but even if there were better players around him his off the field issues made his situation untenable in Cleveland or elsewhere.


Now, as for Colin Kaepernick, 2012....that was his Super Bowl year where he started out as a backup/wildcat QB, Alex Smith goes down with a concussion and Colin got thrown in and he did very well I'm not going to lie, the stats show he did very very well (aided by a great running game and defense, but still credit where credit is due). 2013 he had a STELLAR year and in return the 49ers gave him a 6 year extension. HOWEVER once Jim Harbaugh left Colin Kaepernick didn't do so hot. Record under Jim Harbaugh 25-14 and after Harbaugh he's 3-16. In 2015 Kaep was benched for Blaine Gabbart (a younger more pure throwing Pro style QB albeit IMO not a "better" QB just a different one), Kaep eventually injured his shoulder and missed the rest of the season following week 10. After Jim Tomsula was fired in comes Chip Kelly (after a torrid time in Philly where he was called racist by some of the players whom he benched or traded) and of course there's turmoil in comes a new coach with a different offensive scheme, it's not uncommon to want to get "Your Guy" in at QB and apparently learning nothing from his time at Philly Chip Kelly gets the team to go 2-14 and was fired....now after THAT you figure "Well hey, maybe the 49ers will hire somebody to use Kaep to run their offense"......aaaaaand that's when Colin Kaepernick opted out of his deal because the 49ers were going to cut him because a QB that has gone 3-16 since the Harbaugh era ain't worth the kind of money they were giving him.


You didn't answer my question @TitoFan Where would he start? Who should sign him?


Nobody is begrudging anything Colin Kaepernick is saying or doing, there are plenty of players kneeling for the Anthem now, they're all still on teams. The entire St. Louis Rams team came out with the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" horseshit those guys are still playing even though they perpetuated a LIE. Tito, you've also failed to respond to Ray Lewis attempting to get the Ravens to sign Kaepernick but because Colin Kaepernick's girlfriend posted this....




....yeah, THAT is what she put out there and then the Ravens Owner said basically 'No, I'm not going to sign somebody who has a girlfriend posting that kind of shit about the Ravens greatest player, it's not worth the trouble'




Colin Kaepernick is free to say and do and post whatever he likes, but NFL teams don't HAVE to sign him, it's a privilege to get paid to play football, it's a privilege to have a job....you try pulling shit like that which irritates your boss and see what the hell happens and it doesn't help when you're very recently 3-16....Girlfriend who can't keep her trap shut, 3-16, very outspoken on racial issues to the point where he's comparing the Police with Runaway Slave Patrols....yeah, not helpful. If he really wants to make a difference perhaps he should run for office instead of first downs.

[TitoFan]

Lyle, you have something in common with a certain brother-in-law of mine, who also defends Tebow to the death. Hey.... Tebow is probably the nicest guy in the world. But......... even while he was still in college, pro scouts were already shaking their heads regarding his throwing motion. This is not an NFL-caliber quarterback. Does he know how to win? Sure. He proved that at Florida. But that alone does not guarantee an NFL QB starting job. You have to have the tools. His wins at Denver were a bit of a fluke. Elway saw that, and made the move to Peyton, which eventually led to a SB win. (My bro-in-law hates Elway, by the way). PLUS...... there's that unmentioned tidbit of information that Tebow was given the option to move to tight end, an offer he flatly refused. It was QB or nothing. Guess what the NFL teams said.....

Manziel was another "good in college, not so good in pros" type of guy. Not physically imposing.... made his living scrambling like a bat out of hell in college. He maybe could've made it on his marginal skills in the NFL. But he wore out his welcome REALLY fast.

Colin, on the other hand, was a PROVEN commodity in the NFL. You're comparing an established pro to two guys who never accumulated equity in the pros. Apples and oranges, Lyle.

Now as to the NFL's decision to blackball him. It isn't even the league, probably. There's likely no memorandum saying "hands off Colin". It's even worse. It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him. Oh.... as far as what teams could use Colin right now? How about the aforementioned Browns? Oh wait, I forgot....... they've got a stable of young, talented QBs just chomping at the bit to start right now. How about the Colts? Luck is out..... and I can't say I even remotely recognize the two chumps they're now deciding between to start in the meantime. Add to that the Jets, the Jags, and a few other QB-challenged teams out there.... and I'm sure Colin could contribute a great deal.

Look, Colin's no saint... and if the NFL is looking for saints to start at QB, the list is going to become mighty short. Aside from Colin's soap-opera B.S. story about girlfriend pictures and all that... and his kneeling in protest at games last year..... whatthefuck has he done to incure such disdain from the league?? I'm asking honestly. You know full well that the NFL has more than its share of drug abusers, wife beaters, and other such not-very-nice-people. So again, why the cold shoulder on this guy?

Oh... and let's address this "privilege" you're talking about. Playing football professionally is/was this guy's JOB. Now... how would you react to an avowed white supremacist who happened to participate in a peaceful march downtown, only to find himself without a job on Monday..... huh? What if he was fired for some dumbass excuse, when everybody and their brother knew the REAL reason? What if the guy found he couldn't get a job ANYWHERE in town? Would that be ok? .................................................. ...... didn't think so.

[El Kabong]

I'm not defending Tim Tebow I'm defending the NFL teams CHOOSING not to sign him. Yes he was given an option to play TE or FB or whatever, he stuck to his guns and wanted to play QB and now he's playing baseball. It happens.

Again, NFL teams CHOOSE not to sign Manziel because he's not worth the trouble.


"Colin, on the other hand, was a PROVEN commodity in the NFL." yeah and that commodity was recently 3-16 nothing. 3-16 by itself isn't so bad, 3-16 with a mouthy girlfriend, and a bunch of extra bullshit heaped on the situation ain't worth it. It's not even just about signing Kaepernick, it'll be the all eyes on him as he's on the sidelines, all eyes on him "Can he get his teammates to join in his protests with him", ESPN running nonstop "When will he/Why isn't he starting?" coverage 24/7....teams don't need that distraction, they don't want that distraction.


"Now as to the NFL's decision to blackball him. It isn't even the league, probably. There's likely no memorandum saying "hands off Colin". It's even worse. It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him."....and just pray tell WHY would those owners want nothing to do with Colin Kaepernick as opposed to anyone else who is taking a knee during the National Anthem? Hmm....those guys getting "blackballed"? Hmmm? Are they? You DO realize you're calling guys who make African-American athletes MULTIMILLIONAIRES and I quote "racist"....narrow minded? Cowardly? Who provides security at their games? Who buys tickets to their events? Who is paying the salaries of their players (which includes the African-Americans ones)?....Those guys are looking at a ratings collapse the likes of which has never been seen before due to care to take a stab at that?


As for the teams you suggest:
Browns: DeShone Kizer (hey what do ya know, a black dude!) age 21, he's a rookie, he's starting. Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan both 2nd year QBs who are backing up Kizer. Those guys may or may not be as good or better than Colin Kaepernick but they're signed already and cutting players means a cap hit and I'm thinking Cleveland is thinking about using big money to attract free agents AND trying to keep costs down as they continue to lose. The Browns have been stung several times with drafting QB's I'm not sure why other than they have a trio of younger guys they wouldn't sign up Kaepernick unless they viewed him as a lockerroom problem or somebody who is not going to help them more than who they already have and that is entirely their prerogative.

Jets: starter Josh McCown an old vet, backups Brice Petty and Christian Hackenberg both young backups who have yet to really establish themselves....they are probably playing for the top 1st round pick along with the Browns. Would you rather add Kaep or a brand new QB? Depends on who the owner, the coach and the GM are really...Coach is African-American Todd Bowles, GM is Mike Maccagnan who has been a scout and chose Bowles to be head coach, and the owner is Woody Johnson who has owned the Jets since 2000...he gave Michael Vick a chance to start after his stint with the Eagles, they also had Geno Smith (also African-American), and Quincy Carter (also African-American) soooo racist

Colts: It's the Andrew Luck show in Indy....do you remember who Peyton's backup was during his time there? Scott Tolzein (30 years old, veteran presence) and Jacoby Brissett 23 years old (hey another African-American what do you know?)....you typically have 1 veteran and 1 youth backup QB and I'm guessing that those options are also cheaper than what Kaepernick is looking for.


The NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of league and also there's a whole "Who fits our style of play?" issue....I haven't seen the Browns play, does Kaep fit that style? I don't know, I DO know he is most recently 3-16 and that ain't all that great now is it?

Oh... and let's address this "privilege" you're talking about. Playing football professionally is/was this guy's JOB. Now... how would you react to an avowed white supremacist who happened to participate in a peaceful march downtown, only to find himself without a job on Monday..... huh? What if he was fired for some dumbass excuse, when everybody and their brother knew the REAL reason? What if the guy found he couldn't get a job ANYWHERE in town? Would that be ok? .................................................. ...... didn't think so.

I'd say the white supremacist had it coming and his boss can decide to do what is best for his company. Sorry dude, but that shit happens all the time....Curt Schilling was fired by ESPN for posting a meme on social media, fucking Doug Adler got fired for saying "Guerilla Effect" when commentating on a Venus Williams vs Serena Williams tennis match....did he really mean "Gorilla"? Hell if I know but he's been fired sooo oh well.




The emotion you're arguing with is impressive.....the logic you're not using is likewise impressive.

[TitoFan]

I'm not defending Tim Tebow I'm defending the NFL teams CHOOSING not to sign him. Yes he was given an option to play TE or FB or whatever, he stuck to his guns and wanted to play QB and now he's playing baseball. It happens.

No, you're not defending Tim Tebow. You're making a comparison why Tebow not playing is like Kaepernick not playing. I showed you why you can't compare Tebow and Kaepernick. My point was made. Next point please.

"Colin, on the other hand, was a PROVEN commodity in the NFL." yeah and that commodity was recently 3-16 nothing. 3-16 by itself isn't so bad, 3-16 with a mouthy girlfriend, and a bunch of extra bullshit heaped on the situation ain't worth it. It's not even just about signing Kaepernick, it'll be the all eyes on him as he's on the sidelines, all eyes on him "Can he get his teammates to join in his protests with him", ESPN running nonstop "When will he/Why isn't he starting?" coverage 24/7....teams don't need that distraction, they don't want that distraction.

"Not wanting a distraction" is the easiest "go-to" excuse known to man. Believe me, if the owners thought Jack the Ripper might help them reach the Super Bowl, he'd be signed in 2 seconds flat. But because it's Colin and his "oh so tiresome protest against social injustices", it's a distraction. Yeah... RIGHT.

"Now as to the NFL's decision to blackball him. It isn't even the league, probably. There's likely no memorandum saying "hands off Colin". It's even worse. It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him."....and just pray tell WHY would those owners want nothing to do with Colin Kaepernick as opposed to anyone else who is taking a knee during the National Anthem? Hmm....those guys getting "blackballed"? Hmmm? Are they? You DO realize you're calling guys who make African-American athletes MULTIMILLIONAIRES and I quote "racist"....narrow minded? Cowardly? Who provides security at their games? Who buys tickets to their events? Who is paying the salaries of their players (which includes the African-Americans ones)?....Those guys are looking at a ratings collapse the likes of which has never been seen before due to care to take a stab at that?

This is so fucking ludicrous I just had to highlight it. I have one name for you, Lyle. Donald Fucking Sterling. Was he a billionaire team owner? Check. Did he make black (I use the proper term) athletes multimillionares? Check. Did he provide security at their games? Check. Did he buy tickets to their events? Check. Was he paying for their salaries? Check. Now..... what in the name of all fuck does being a goddamn racist have to do with being a billionaire owner and having black players on your team? Right. Another asinine point down the tubes.

As for the teams you suggest:
Browns: DeShone Kizer (hey what do ya know, a black dude!) age 21, he's a rookie, he's starting.

I will NOT let you deviate from my point! I'm not saying the NFL is racist, Lyle. Here's a jackhammer so you can drive the point into your brain. I'm complaining about the owners blackballing Colin Kaepernick for his actions that now MANY players are doing. And of course they're not going to blackball the whole damn league, are they?

Oh... and let's address this "privilege" you're talking about. Playing football professionally is/was this guy's JOB. Now... how would you react to an avowed white supremacist who happened to participate in a peaceful march downtown, only to find himself without a job on Monday..... huh? What if he was fired for some dumbass excuse, when everybody and their brother knew the REAL reason? What if the guy found he couldn't get a job ANYWHERE in town? Would that be ok? .................................................. ...... didn't think so.

I'd say the white supremacist had it coming and his boss can decide to do what is best for his company. Sorry dude, but that shit happens all the time....Curt Schilling was fired by ESPN for posting a meme on social media, fucking Doug Adler got fired for saying "Guerilla Effect" when commentating on a Venus Williams vs Serena Williams tennis match....did he really mean "Gorilla"? Hell if I know but he's been fired sooo oh well.

Yes, and I criticized the Schilling firing, criticized the Adler firing, and will criticize all the itchy-trigger-finger actions like these any time they occur. So just as I criticize those, I also criticize the blackballing of Colin. I'm nothing if not consistent.

The emotion you're arguing with is impressive.....the logic you're not using is likewise impressive.

You just can't resist ending on a low note, can you.

I'll refrain from responding in kind, as we all know here that you're the only one who uses logic in his arguments.

Thanks for the opportunity to bask in your wisdom.