Colin Kaepernick and the absurdity of the NFL

[El Kabong]

No, you're not defending Tim Tebow. You're making a comparison why Tebow not playing is like Kaepernick not playing. I showed you why you can't compare Tebow and Kaepernick. My point was made. Next point please.

Career record: Tim Tebow 8-6 Colin Kaepernick 28-30 oooof that last season going 1-10 really hurt didn't it?

"Not wanting a distraction" is the easiest "go-to" excuse known to man. Believe me, if the owners thought Jack the Ripper might help them reach the Super Bowl, he'd be signed in 2 seconds flat. But because it's Colin and his "oh so tiresome protest against social injustices", it's a distraction. Yeah... RIGHT.

Well the Baltimore Ravens having ONLY 2 QB's on their roster in Joe Flacco and Ryan Mallet were going to attempt to sign Colin Kaepernick at the urging of Ray Lewis......only Colin's girlfriend posted a meme calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom and the owners decided to not sign him. Do we really grasp that yet? Do we really understand that? Do you think in any sport a team would let a franchise HERO be treated like that by a free agent, no pardon me, a free agent's GIRLFRIEND......nah, I don't think so.

This is so fucking ludicrous I just had to highlight it. I have one name for you, Lyle. Donald Fucking Sterling. Was he a billionaire team owner? Check. Did he make black (I use the proper term) athletes multimillionares? Check. Did he provide security at their games? Check. Did he buy tickets to their events? Check. Was he paying for their salaries? Check. Now..... what in the name of all fuck does being a goddamn racist have to do with being a billionaire owner and having black players on your team? Right. Another asinine point down the tubes.

OK so 100% of the NFL owners are exactly like Donald Sterling? The Rooney family I suppose is much like Donald Sterling?

Also I don't believe you understand me correctly....Police and Sheriff's and State Troopers provide security, you know the who Colin Kaepernick say MURDER black people, you know, "just because"....it's a bigger fucking deal than "Oh just sign him and fuck all those guys"....this might seem shocking to you but people are PROUD of their communities, they don't want them run down by some pampered football player....yeah he PLAYS A FUCKING GAME for a living and he makes more money than the people buying tickets will ever fucking see, no thank you. It's not endearing to a community. Ticket sales, that's a big fucking issue, SJWs buying up all the Kaep gear they want.....don't buy tickets.

I will NOT let you deviate from my point! I'm not saying the NFL is racist, Lyle. Here's a jackhammer so you can drive the point into your brain. I'm complaining about the owners blackballing Colin Kaepernick for his actions that now MANY players are doing. And of course they're not going to blackball the whole damn league, are they?

Yeah, you've actually called the owners "racist" I mean you literally posted that exact thing..."It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him."...the Owners are "The League"

Yes, and I criticized the Schilling firing, criticized the Adler firing, and will criticize all the itchy-trigger-finger actions like these any time they occur. So just as I criticize those, I also criticize the blackballing of Colin. I'm nothing if not consistent.

Don't sprain anything patting yourself on the back

You just can't resist ending on a low note, can you.

I'll refrain from responding in kind, as we all know here that you're the only one who uses logic in his arguments.

Thanks for the opportunity to bask in your wisdom.

Your passion for Kaep is clouding your judgement....again, opted out of 49ers contract, Ravens were going to sign him but his girlfriend is apparently a gigantic cunt (don't believe me just ask ex-bf and former teammate of Kaepernick, Aldon Smith) and she called Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom and MAYBE....MAYYYYYYBE had she not done that he'd be in Baltimore, but dumb bitches gonna dumb bitch

[TitoFan]

Let's clear up one thing up front. "My passion" for Kaepernick? No, man. My passion is for injustices, regardless of who they might be. Regardless of profession, color, beliefs, whatever. It happens to be Kaepernick in this case, a black (shorter than African-American) professional football player. We clear on that? Good. Let's proceed.

1. You must be in desperate straights to keep trying to compare Tebow to Kaepernick. But just like my blinders-wearing brother in law, you'll never be convinced otherwise. Suffice it to say you'd be laughed out of any decent barroom conversation with knowledgeable pro football fans. You quit following the NFL, remember? Yes.... please throw out there their career records. Forget about everything else involved. Forget that Tebow's very short run in the NFL was/is/ will always be considered a fluke. Forget that Kaepernick had HUGE stats in leading his team to the Super Bowl not long ago. Forget what 99% of football experts would say to your comparison if they could just forget the white elephant in the room which is of course Colin's audacity to protest something he believes in.

2. Football players are judged by THEIR actions. This isn't "All My Children" or "General Hospital". This is a professional football league for grownups. Save the girlfriend soap opera for somebody who cares. Did Colin himself do anything wrong? Is the woman his WIFE? No to both questions. Move on.

3. You made the ludicrous claim about owners providing jobs and being ohhhh so kind to black football players, providing security, blah, blah, blah. I merely pointed out that every batch of apples has a few rotten ones in the barrel. In this case it was Sterling. Had he not been moronic enough to be recorded saying some horribly racist things, we would've been none the wiser, and you'd be claiming that they're all wonderful human beings.

4. The league has a Commissioner. Granted, he's many times a puppet on the owners' strings, but so be it. The official position of the league, of course, is totally and decidedly UN-racist. And if you were to poll all the owners, they'd be just short of Mother Theresa status.



Admit it. You hate it when anyone brings up racism, WHETHER IT'S WARRANTED OR NOT. You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point.

[El Kabong]

Let's clear up one thing up front. "My passion" for Kaepernick? No, man. My passion is for injustices, regardless of who they might be. Regardless of profession, color, beliefs, whatever. It happens to be Kaepernick in this case, a black (shorter than African-American) professional football player. We clear on that? Good. Let's proceed.

1. You must be in desperate straights to keep trying to compare Tebow to Kaepernick. But just like my blinders-wearing brother in law, you'll never be convinced otherwise. Suffice it to say you'd be laughed out of any decent barroom conversation with knowledgeable pro football fans. You quit following the NFL, remember? Yes.... please throw out there their career records. Forget about everything else involved. Forget that Tebow's very short run in the NFL was/is/ will always be considered a fluke. Forget that Kaepernick had HUGE stats in leading his team to the Super Bowl not long ago. Forget what 99% of football experts would say to your comparison if they could just forget the white elephant in the room which is of course Colin's audacity to protest something he believes in.

2. Football players are judged by THEIR actions. This isn't "All My Children" or "General Hospital". This is a professional football league for grownups. Save the girlfriend soap opera for somebody who cares. Did Colin himself do anything wrong? Is the woman his WIFE? No to both questions. Move on.

3. You made the ludicrous claim about owners providing jobs and being ohhhh so kind to black football players, providing security, blah, blah, blah. I merely pointed out that every batch of apples has a few rotten ones in the barrel. In this case it was Sterling. Had he not been moronic enough to be recorded saying some horribly racist things, we would've been none the wiser, and you'd be claiming that they're all wonderful human beings.

4. The league has a Commissioner. Granted, he's many times a puppet on the owners' strings, but so be it. The official position of the league, of course, is totally and decidedly UN-racist. And if you were to poll all the owners, they'd be just short of Mother Theresa status.



Admit it. You hate it when anyone brings up racism, WHETHER IT'S WARRANTED OR NOT. You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point.

So Colin Kaepernick is having a grave injustice committed against him by the 32 Donald Sterlings who own the NFL teams? This is 100% due to his being of mixed race and protesting the National Anthem and Police correct? It has 0% to do with his being 29 years old and 3-16 in his starts from 2015 & 2016? His not being on a team has nothing to do with his opting out of a contract with the 49ers or his girlfriend calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom (sorry you think that's "Soap Opera" but at the VERY least it's not helpful, the VERY least).

1. God al-fucking-mighty.....fine I'll not compare him to Tebow


2. Yup EXACTLY! So if I'm a football player and I'm looking to play in Dallas and my girlfriend posts something which calls Emmitt Smith a "n*gger" that's going to have 0 impact on my signing with Dallas? Please, please, pretty fucking please with a cherry on top tell me you honestly think that.


3. I'm not claiming they are all wonderful, I'm claiming they aren't ALL Donald Sterling, but according to you I am wrong about that.


4. Yes and this Commissioner has been running the league into the fucking ground.


I'll be very frank, I don't believe in celebritizing victimhood. I believe that the "racist" problems in the United States of America pale in comparison to those issues around the world. I hate that people make money pushing an agenda that perpetuates racism instead of actually addressing the issue, I hate it that people think just because Trump is President that "It's the most dangerous time to be alive!!!", I hate it that politicians and activists PUSH to break the black 2 parent household and abort more black babies, I hate it that people have lower expectations (academically, legally, in the work place) for people of different races, I hate it that some people TRULY feel that they are carrying the weight of their ancestors' oppression and that they feel I should carry the guilt of my ancestors if they did something or nothing they were white and so I being of their skin color/race should be punished feel guilt and shame.....FUCK THAT!

Are there racists in the world? Yeah, the world is a big and scary place at times and yeah there are some really fucking hateful people out there but the average person Tito, the average person black, white, brown, yellow, whatever I CHOOSE to believe their natural state is goodness, kindness, humanity. If you wish to allude to my being a racist or allowing racism or what have you, FINE, I have 0 problem with you thinking that of me, 0 got it? I'm in a mixed marriage but nah, nah it's cool because you think I'm racist or that I make exceptions for racism, that must be the case.



I HOPE to God Colin Kaepernick is signed and starts every fucking game. I do not care if he's the WORST QB of all fucking time he should be signed and never leave the field because he's THAT talented 3-16.

Colin Kaepernick 3:16

[El Kabong]

The following is not about Colin Kaepernick, but it also IS at the same time as he an Ta-Nehisi Coates share very similar beliefs.....the author (Jason D. Hikll) of this open letter does NOT share those views. If you care to read it there it is, if not, that is also fine.



An Open Letter to Ta-Nehisi Coates
The Dream is real
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...nehisi-coates/

You touch on your flirtation with some special black racial essentialism in your book, and it is both affecting and sympathetic: “My working theory then held all black people as kings in exile, a nation of original men severed from our original names and our majestic Nubian culture. Surely this was the message I took from gazing out in the [Howard] Yard. Had any people, anywhere, ever been as sprawling and beautiful as us?” Unfortunately, there is nothing special about the black body. There is nothing special about any racially distinct physical body per se. Black skin does not convey nobility. Neither does white skin, or yellow skin. Your body is not special until it conjoins itself to a mind and adapts nature to its needs and desires and rational aspirations, its self-actualization and manifested agency. Any human body that fails to achieve a self-cultivated moral character and inscrutable human will is merely an ecological social ballast: ignoble, exploitable, a heap of unintelligible flesh on this earth.

[TitoFan]

So Colin Kaepernick is having a grave injustice committed against him by the 32 Donald Sterlings who own the NFL teams? This is 100% due to his being of mixed race and protesting the National Anthem and Police correct? It has 0% to do with his being 29 years old and 3-16 in his starts from 2015 & 2016? His not being on a team has nothing to do with his opting out of a contract with the 49ers or his girlfriend calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom (sorry you think that's "Soap Opera" but at the VERY least it's not helpful, the VERY least).

This is not the "all or nothing" game. It's not either all owners are racist or none of them are. IMO, more than a handful are. Enough to make a difference. Besides.... I'm not claiming their racism is why they're blackballing Colin. I'm claiming they're cowardly backing away from an issue which should have no bearing..... ZERO.... on a player's ability to help their team. Whether it's racist-related... whether it's stupidly bottom line related. Whether they're ultra-mega patriots and they don't like protests against the anthem. Whether they don't like his afro. Or whether they just don't think there's anything wrong in urban America and thus nothing needs to get fixed....... whatever the reason.

1. God al-fucking-mighty.....fine I'll not compare him to Tebow

Thanks.

2. Yup EXACTLY! So if I'm a football player and I'm looking to play in Dallas and my girlfriend posts something which calls Emmitt Smith a "n*gger" that's going to have 0 impact on my signing with Dallas? Please, please, pretty fucking please with a cherry on top tell me you honestly think that.

You went deep on that one. The proper thing to have done would be to demand a public apology from your girlfriend and no..... not blackball you from joining the Cowboys. Depending how good you were, of course.

3. I'm not claiming they are all wonderful, I'm claiming they aren't ALL Donald Sterling, but according to you I am wrong about that.

Quote me where I said that 100% of NFL owners were Donald Sterling. Go ahead.
That's the problem with absolute, broad-brush statements.

4. Yes and this Commissioner has been running the league into the fucking ground.

Here is my defense of Roger Goodell............







"I'll be very frank, I don't believe in celebritizing victimhood. I believe that the "racist" problems in the United States of America pale in comparison to those issues around the world. I hate that people make money pushing an agenda that perpetuates racism instead of actually addressing the issue, I hate it that people think just because Trump is President that "It's the most dangerous time to be alive!!!", I hate it that politicians and activists PUSH to break the black 2 parent household and abort more black babies, I hate it that people have lower expectations (academically, legally, in the work place) for people of different races, I hate it that some people TRULY feel that they are carrying the weight of their ancestors' oppression and that they feel I should carry the guilt of my ancestors if they did something or nothing they were white and so I being of their skin color/race should be punished feel guilt and shame.....FUCK THAT!"


You have a giant chip on your shoulder, IMHO. You lump everyone together in the same boat. Those who use racism as a tool/ card to get preferential treatment..... and those of US who see things the way they are, and recognize racism DOES exist, it's not some fantasy created by the first group. The way you express yourself shows that resentment coming out of your pores. It need not be like that. Some black people have real beefs. Are they to get swept away by the tsunami of resentment you express toward the first group?? Deep down you know I'm right, and if you don't now... you will in time.


"If you wish to allude to my being a racist or allowing racism or what have you, FINE, I have 0 problem with you thinking that of me, 0 got it? I'm in a mixed marriage but nah, nah it's cool because you think I'm racist or that I make exceptions for racism, that must be the case."



C'mon stop it Lyle. I've never alluded to your being a racist. Can't we have normal discussions without you putting words in my mouth? I get enough of that with the forum princess Miles. I'm making a good, rational, trying-to-be-objective argument. You don't make it very easy, though.



"I HOPE to God Colin Kaepernick is signed and starts every fucking game. I do not care if he's the WORST QB of all fucking time he should be signed and never leave the field because he's THAT talented 3-16."




Yeah. He had a bad season, Lyle. I get it. So have other good QB's who are good enough to start in this league. I'm not gonna start comparing Colin to anyone in particular, but you know as well as I do that even good, proven QB's go through rough spots. But whatever. I'm tiring of having to deny shit I haven't said.

[El Kabong]

This is not the "all or nothing" game. It's not either all owners are racist or none of them are. IMO, more than a handful are. Enough to make a difference. Besides.... I'm not claiming their racism is why they're blackballing Colin. I'm claiming they're cowardly backing away from an issue which should have no bearing..... ZERO.... on a player's ability to help their team. Whether it's racist-related... whether it's stupidly bottom line related. Whether they're ultra-mega patriots and they don't like protests against the anthem. Whether they don't like his afro. Or whether they just don't think there's anything wrong in urban America and thus nothing needs to get fixed....... whatever the reason.

Actually it is all or nothing...if 32 teams pass on Colin Kaepernick then that's literally ALL of the teams passing on him....ALL of them. And you say just willy nilly "IMO, more than a handful are" saying that you believe "more than a handful" of NFL owners are racist.....ummm Proof? Evidence? Yeah yeah Donald Sterling was an NBA owner but do please tell me which of the NFL owners are racist, I mean you MUST have evidence seeing how you can off the cuff just say a "handful are" also what's a handful? 3? 5? Let's say 3, just for debates sake I'll say 2....proof of 2 racist NFL team owners.

You went deep on that one. The proper thing to have done would be to demand a public apology from your girlfriend and no..... not blackball you from joining the Cowboys. Depending how good you were, of course.

Oh oh depending on how good I was....let's just say I was 3-16 my last 19 starts as a QB, let's just say that """""HYPOTHETICALLY"""""....hmmm, what then?

Quote me where I said that 100% of NFL owners were Donald Sterling. Go ahead.
That's the problem with absolute, broad-brush statements.

I don't have to, if 0 NFL teams sign Colin Kaepernick and you've said "He's not being signed because #RACIST !" then the logical conclusion is 32 racist owners, that is quite literally what you've argued

You have a giant chip on your shoulder, IMHO. You lump everyone together in the same boat. Those who use racism as a tool/ card to get preferential treatment..... and those of US who see things the way they are, and recognize racism DOES exist, it's not some fantasy created by the first group. The way you express yourself shows that resentment coming out of your pores. It need not be like that. Some black people have real beefs. Are they to get swept away by the tsunami of resentment you express toward the first group?? Deep down you know I'm right, and if you don't now... you will in time.

Thank you

C'mon stop it Lyle. I've never alluded to your being a racist. Can't we have normal discussions without you putting words in my mouth? I get enough of that with the forum princess Miles. I'm making a good, rational, trying-to-be-objective argument. You don't make it very easy, though.

"You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point." - TitoFan

What am I to take from that hmm? What I read is you consider me either: a straight up racist, somebody who makes excuses for racism, or somebody apathetic to the struggles of others.

Perhaps, perhaps, I'm just somebody who thinks if all you have to harp on or all you want to harp on is skin color then you're an insufferable bore and you have no worth to me at all....and those people would be the likes of Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan, David Duke, Richard Spencer, etc.....but no, no, let's not have THAT be an acceptable position, I mean people might end up forgetting how fucking oppressed they aren't

Yeah. He had a bad season, Lyle. I get it. So have other good QB's who are good enough to start in this league. I'm not gonna start comparing Colin to anyone in particular, but you know as well as I do that even good, proven QB's go through rough spots. But whatever. I'm tiring of having to deny shit I haven't said.

So you're saying that he should be given another chance? A chance SOME players don't ever get? I want him signed IMMEDIATELY, I want him STARTING, and I want to see ESPN cover it 24/7, and I want to see the NFL AND ESPN's ratings nosedive! I want them to get what THEY want which is the complete end of professional football. It'll be boycotts, it'll be apathy, it'll be CTE, it'll be a coming player strike.....I WELCOME IT and I used to live for playing football and watching football, now I do not give 1 single shit about it.

[El Kabong]

Now @TitoFan don't go trying to think my tone is that of an angry rabid gorilla...I'm completely calm, frustrated maybe but calm. Other than that I'm asking for you to clarify your position on just what box you're wanting to fit me in to....I would like to hope you don't think of me as racist but then again the accusations are tossed around with such ease these days I can't be certain.


Think about what it takes to be called a "White Supremacist" these days or a "Nazi".....it doesn't take much, fucking Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew and he's been called a "Nazi" soooo I'm just trying to ask questions which get you to explain further what you actually mean, and where you think I fit on your whatever...board of kinds of people

[TitoFan]

Now @TitoFan don't go trying to think my tone is that of an angry rabid gorilla...I'm completely calm, frustrated maybe but calm. Other than that I'm asking for you to clarify your position on just what box you're wanting to fit me in to....I would like to hope you don't think of me as racist but then again the accusations are tossed around with such ease these days I can't be certain.


Think about what it takes to be called a "White Supremacist" these days or a "Nazi".....it doesn't take much, fucking Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew and he's been called a "Nazi" soooo I'm just trying to ask questions which get you to explain further what you actually mean, and where you think I fit on your whatever...board of kinds of people

I only now saw this, so I'll address it.

No boxes, Lyle. I'm not trying to fit you into any box. In the last post I said you were apathetic toward those with some sort of struggle, because of the choices you gave me, that was the one I saw as being the closest. I've never accused you of being racist, because I don't believe you are. Any more than I'm not racist either.

But you continue to focus on those who do race problems a disservice. You bring up cases like Schilling.... now you mention Shapiro.... YES.... there are extreme cases of people wanting to rush and put a label on everybody. Hell.... I've said some things that would probably get me labeled a racist myself. For instance, I dislike the term "African-American". I use the word "black". That's what I grew up with..... that's what I'll continue using. Some would call me racist. I'm not. I'm just against ridiculousness, no matter where it comes from.

Sometimes I don't think you get me. I don't like excesses of any kind. And I'm particularly frustrated at those blacks you just lay back and grin and say..... "yeah... racism, baby. Just give me everything I want, 'cause you know...... racism." All they do is destroy what is honestly a real issue. What do you think, that just because the government demands certain percentages of blacks, women, and just plain minorities to be part of organizational structures.... that that just makes everything ok? No. We feel the same about quotas. We hate them. But for different reasons. Racism will always exist, because ignorance will always exist. Maybe you're college educated and open-minded about a lot of things. But you have to know there's lots of pockets of backward, ignorant, totally racist people who'd sooner run over a black person than to try to get to know them.

[TitoFan]

This is not the "all or nothing" game. It's not either all owners are racist or none of them are. IMO, more than a handful are. Enough to make a difference. Besides.... I'm not claiming their racism is why they're blackballing Colin. I'm claiming they're cowardly backing away from an issue which should have no bearing..... ZERO.... on a player's ability to help their team. Whether it's racist-related... whether it's stupidly bottom line related. Whether they're ultra-mega patriots and they don't like protests against the anthem. Whether they don't like his afro. Or whether they just don't think there's anything wrong in urban America and thus nothing needs to get fixed....... whatever the reason.

Actually it is all or nothing...if 32 teams pass on Colin Kaepernick then that's literally ALL of the teams passing on him....ALL of them. And you say just willy nilly "IMO, more than a handful are" saying that you believe "more than a handful" of NFL owners are racist.....ummm Proof? Evidence? Yeah yeah Donald Sterling was an NBA owner but do please tell me which of the NFL owners are racist, I mean you MUST have evidence seeing how you can off the cuff just say a "handful are" also what's a handful? 3? 5? Let's say 3, just for debates sake I'll say 2....proof of 2 racist NFL team owners.

I fucking GAVE you other reasons why he's being blackballed as well..... but you just stored that information where the sun don't shine.
So tell me....... why should I bother continuing the argument when you selectively read to suit your pleasure?

You went deep on that one. The proper thing to have done would be to demand a public apology from your girlfriend and no..... not blackball you from joining the Cowboys. Depending how good you were, of course.

Oh oh depending on how good I was....let's just say I was 3-16 my last 19 starts as a QB, let's just say that """""HYPOTHETICALLY"""""....hmmm, what then?

Well... if you were 3-16 in your last starts as QB, and those were YOUR ONLY starts in the NFL, I'd tell you to go take a hike. However, if you had been a proven good QB and had led your team to the Super Bowl at some point, I'd be open to giving you a break. How's that for an answer? Not good enough? Tough shit.

Quote me where I said that 100% of NFL owners were Donald Sterling. Go ahead.
That's the problem with absolute, broad-brush statements.

I don't have to, if 0 NFL teams sign Colin Kaepernick and you've said "He's not being signed because #RACIST !" then the logical conclusion is 32 racist owners, that is quite literally what you've argued

See: "Selective Reading" above. As in........ QUIT FUCKING DOING IT.

You have a giant chip on your shoulder, IMHO. You lump everyone together in the same boat. Those who use racism as a tool/ card to get preferential treatment..... and those of US who see things the way they are, and recognize racism DOES exist, it's not some fantasy created by the first group. The way you express yourself shows that resentment coming out of your pores. It need not be like that. Some black people have real beefs. Are they to get swept away by the tsunami of resentment you express toward the first group?? Deep down you know I'm right, and if you don't now... you will in time.

Thank you

Touched a nerve, huh? You see, without being insulting or condescending, I told you in few words that I think you group too many people together because of your own disdain for certain beliefs. It's wrong, it's unfair, it's shortsighted... and the fact is you know it. Hence the "thank you", I guess. Well, what can I say. You're welcome.

C'mon stop it Lyle. I've never alluded to your being a racist. Can't we have normal discussions without you putting words in my mouth? I get enough of that with the forum princess Miles. I'm making a good, rational, trying-to-be-objective argument. You don't make it very easy, though.

"You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point." - TitoFan

What am I to take from that hmm? What I read is you consider me either: a straight up racist, somebody who makes excuses for racism, or somebody apathetic to the struggles of others.

Perhaps, perhaps, I'm just somebody who thinks if all you have to harp on or all you want to harp on is skin color then you're an insufferable bore and you have no worth to me at all....and those people would be the likes of Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan, David Duke, Richard Spencer, etc.....but no, no, let's not have THAT be an acceptable position, I mean people might end up forgetting how fucking oppressed they aren't

I'll take "somebody apathetic to the struggles of others" for $500, Alex. Yes. That would be an apt description when it comes to black people with an honest beef. Not black people in general. I don't think in those terms. Just those who have been wrongfully discriminated, shot, beaten, fired, etc, etc, etc. Individual cases, Lyle. Individual cases. Racial profiling. Pulling over black doctors or lawyers just because they're black. Shit like that. Don't have to go into details, right Lyle? Please say no. But yeah. That chip on the shoulder is the size of Gibraltar.

Yeah. He had a bad season, Lyle. I get it. So have other good QB's who are good enough to start in this league. I'm not gonna start comparing Colin to anyone in particular, but you know as well as I do that even good, proven QB's go through rough spots. But whatever. I'm tiring of having to deny shit I haven't said.

So you're saying that he should be given another chance? A chance SOME players don't ever get? I want him signed IMMEDIATELY, I want him STARTING, and I want to see ESPN cover it 24/7, and I want to see the NFL AND ESPN's ratings nosedive! I want them to get what THEY want which is the complete end of professional football. It'll be boycotts, it'll be apathy, it'll be CTE, it'll be a coming player strike.....I WELCOME IT and I used to live for playing football and watching football, now I do not give 1 single shit about it.

Now you're losing it, Lyle. Sign of not having anything new to say.... so you go off the deep end, throw up your hands in desperation.... and close your eyes and ears to anything else. Then go into a nonsensical rant. Cool. By the way, are you sure the NFL and ESPN ratings would nosedive? Just sayin'

[El Kabong]

I fucking GAVE you other reasons why he's being blackballed as well..... but you just stored that information where the sun don't shine.
So tell me....... why should I bother continuing the argument when you selectively read to suit your pleasure?

The other reason was that the owners are cowardly, all 32 of them. So evidence of that or just an accusation?

You don't have to argue at all with me, that is completely up to you.

Well... if you were 3-16 in your last starts as QB, and those were YOUR ONLY starts in the NFL, I'd tell you to go take a hike. However, if you had been a proven good QB and had led your team to the Super Bowl at some point, I'd be open to giving you a break. How's that for an answer? Not good enough? Tough shit.

That's a fine answer, why are you being so hostile when all I am doing is asking questions and also providing my view of things? Does my view, my opinion, piss you off that badly?

See: "Selective Reading" above. As in........ QUIT FUCKING DOING IT.

Sorry racist AND COWARDLY.....because that makes a gigantic difference

Touched a nerve, huh? You see, without being insulting or condescending, I told you in few words that I think you group too many people together because of your own disdain for certain beliefs. It's wrong, it's unfair, it's shortsighted... and the fact is you know it. Hence the "thank you", I guess. Well, what can I say. You're welcome.

Alright, you are certainly free to have that opinion and spread it far and wide. I don't much mind.

I'll take "somebody apathetic to the struggles of others" for $500, Alex. Yes. That would be an apt description when it comes to black people with an honest beef. Not black people in general. I don't think in those terms. Just those who have been wrongfully discriminated, shot, beaten, fired, etc, etc, etc. Individual cases, Lyle. Individual cases. Racial profiling. Pulling over black doctors or lawyers just because they're black. Shit like that. Don't have to go into details, right Lyle? Please say no. But yeah. That chip on the shoulder is the size of Gibraltar.

Well if that is how you think of me then I guess that is just how you're going to think of me and I'll just let it be that way.

Now you're losing it, Lyle. Sign of not having anything new to say.... so you go off the deep end, throw up your hands in desperation.... and close your eyes and ears to anything else. Then go into a nonsensical rant. Cool. By the way, are you sure the NFL and ESPN ratings would nosedive? Just sayin'

Football isn't football anymore it's a stage to declare your politics ONLY if you have "the right" politics. You can't hit a "defenseless player" anymore, you can't hit in the head anymore, you can barely play the game properly within the rules and then you want to shit on the nation which hosts and houses the biggest/best football league in the world? Well ok then. The ratings ARE dying already Tito it's not because Kaepernick hasn't been signed it's because fans of the game (black brown red white etc) want to escape from the world of politics and current events they want to lose themselves in a game just for a little while, but I guess that just isn't allowed anymore, EVERYTHING is political now and people are not having fun watching ESPN or the NFL anymore because they feel shamed. They feel shamed by players (multi-million dollar players!) they feel shamed for saying or not saying something, they feel shamed for what their own politics are or are not.....why subject yourself to that?

You think the average Cop doesn't enjoy football? Not the Krazy Killa Kopz that we ALL know are out there HUNTING young minorities to shoot and shake down because ooooh what fun that is! No, the average guy who is just trying to do the job, maybe he's a Black cop, maybe he's a Hispanic cop, maybe he's an Asian cop maybe he comes from an era and a neighborhood where he grew up looking up to respecting cops and believing he could make a difference not in the world, but in a community, maybe to the world of a youngster....think THAT guy wants to go home or go to a bar, watch the game and see this?




Do you think that makes him happy? Does it make him really want to get out there and feel pride for his community and get to know the people at a game or tailgate? Or do you think it makes him want to just shut himself off from that?



There's a lot of things I think could help this nation heal some divides which have been stoked up these recent years, but apparently that is not worthy of discussion it's Colin Kaepernick needs to be signed or else_____. That'll heal this country? That'll stop racism? That'll stop "rogue cops"? That'll stop violence? How about the nation coming together, leaving politics at the turnstile and just watching a fucking game and being allowed to enjoy themselves? Nah, I suppose that just won't be enough.

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