Colin Kaepernick and the absurdity of the NFL

[TitoFan]

This is not the "all or nothing" game. It's not either all owners are racist or none of them are. IMO, more than a handful are. Enough to make a difference. Besides.... I'm not claiming their racism is why they're blackballing Colin. I'm claiming they're cowardly backing away from an issue which should have no bearing..... ZERO.... on a player's ability to help their team. Whether it's racist-related... whether it's stupidly bottom line related. Whether they're ultra-mega patriots and they don't like protests against the anthem. Whether they don't like his afro. Or whether they just don't think there's anything wrong in urban America and thus nothing needs to get fixed....... whatever the reason.

Actually it is all or nothing...if 32 teams pass on Colin Kaepernick then that's literally ALL of the teams passing on him....ALL of them. And you say just willy nilly "IMO, more than a handful are" saying that you believe "more than a handful" of NFL owners are racist.....ummm Proof? Evidence? Yeah yeah Donald Sterling was an NBA owner but do please tell me which of the NFL owners are racist, I mean you MUST have evidence seeing how you can off the cuff just say a "handful are" also what's a handful? 3? 5? Let's say 3, just for debates sake I'll say 2....proof of 2 racist NFL team owners.

I fucking GAVE you other reasons why he's being blackballed as well..... but you just stored that information where the sun don't shine.
So tell me....... why should I bother continuing the argument when you selectively read to suit your pleasure?

You went deep on that one. The proper thing to have done would be to demand a public apology from your girlfriend and no..... not blackball you from joining the Cowboys. Depending how good you were, of course.

Oh oh depending on how good I was....let's just say I was 3-16 my last 19 starts as a QB, let's just say that """""HYPOTHETICALLY"""""....hmmm, what then?

Well... if you were 3-16 in your last starts as QB, and those were YOUR ONLY starts in the NFL, I'd tell you to go take a hike. However, if you had been a proven good QB and had led your team to the Super Bowl at some point, I'd be open to giving you a break. How's that for an answer? Not good enough? Tough shit.

Quote me where I said that 100% of NFL owners were Donald Sterling. Go ahead.
That's the problem with absolute, broad-brush statements.

I don't have to, if 0 NFL teams sign Colin Kaepernick and you've said "He's not being signed because #RACIST !" then the logical conclusion is 32 racist owners, that is quite literally what you've argued

See: "Selective Reading" above. As in........ QUIT FUCKING DOING IT.

You have a giant chip on your shoulder, IMHO. You lump everyone together in the same boat. Those who use racism as a tool/ card to get preferential treatment..... and those of US who see things the way they are, and recognize racism DOES exist, it's not some fantasy created by the first group. The way you express yourself shows that resentment coming out of your pores. It need not be like that. Some black people have real beefs. Are they to get swept away by the tsunami of resentment you express toward the first group?? Deep down you know I'm right, and if you don't now... you will in time.

Thank you

Touched a nerve, huh? You see, without being insulting or condescending, I told you in few words that I think you group too many people together because of your own disdain for certain beliefs. It's wrong, it's unfair, it's shortsighted... and the fact is you know it. Hence the "thank you", I guess. Well, what can I say. You're welcome.

C'mon stop it Lyle. I've never alluded to your being a racist. Can't we have normal discussions without you putting words in my mouth? I get enough of that with the forum princess Miles. I'm making a good, rational, trying-to-be-objective argument. You don't make it very easy, though.

"You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point." - TitoFan

What am I to take from that hmm? What I read is you consider me either: a straight up racist, somebody who makes excuses for racism, or somebody apathetic to the struggles of others.

Perhaps, perhaps, I'm just somebody who thinks if all you have to harp on or all you want to harp on is skin color then you're an insufferable bore and you have no worth to me at all....and those people would be the likes of Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan, David Duke, Richard Spencer, etc.....but no, no, let's not have THAT be an acceptable position, I mean people might end up forgetting how fucking oppressed they aren't

I'll take "somebody apathetic to the struggles of others" for $500, Alex. Yes. That would be an apt description when it comes to black people with an honest beef. Not black people in general. I don't think in those terms. Just those who have been wrongfully discriminated, shot, beaten, fired, etc, etc, etc. Individual cases, Lyle. Individual cases. Racial profiling. Pulling over black doctors or lawyers just because they're black. Shit like that. Don't have to go into details, right Lyle? Please say no. But yeah. That chip on the shoulder is the size of Gibraltar.

Yeah. He had a bad season, Lyle. I get it. So have other good QB's who are good enough to start in this league. I'm not gonna start comparing Colin to anyone in particular, but you know as well as I do that even good, proven QB's go through rough spots. But whatever. I'm tiring of having to deny shit I haven't said.

So you're saying that he should be given another chance? A chance SOME players don't ever get? I want him signed IMMEDIATELY, I want him STARTING, and I want to see ESPN cover it 24/7, and I want to see the NFL AND ESPN's ratings nosedive! I want them to get what THEY want which is the complete end of professional football. It'll be boycotts, it'll be apathy, it'll be CTE, it'll be a coming player strike.....I WELCOME IT and I used to live for playing football and watching football, now I do not give 1 single shit about it.

Now you're losing it, Lyle. Sign of not having anything new to say.... so you go off the deep end, throw up your hands in desperation.... and close your eyes and ears to anything else. Then go into a nonsensical rant. Cool. By the way, are you sure the NFL and ESPN ratings would nosedive? Just sayin'