Wow! Andre Ward retires!

[Master]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

Joe did not duck those fighters he had better offers and he did not struggle he beat them convincingly.

At light heavyweight he was past his prime.

[GaMo]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

Joe did not duck those fighters he had better offers and he did not struggle he beat them convincingly.

At light heavyweight he was past his prime.

Pavlik was unbeaten at the time and was willing to move up to fight Calzaghe but Joe decided to fight an old Hopkins instead. Ottke was the champion for years at 168 and Calzaghe was never willing to go over and challenge for the titles (instead he defended the shitty WBO belt at home) He obviously avoided Froch.

[Master]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

Joe did not duck those fighters he had better offers and he did not struggle he beat them convincingly.

At light heavyweight he was past his prime.

Pavlik was unbeaten at the time and was willing to move up to fight Calzaghe but Joe decided to fight an old Hopkins instead. Ottke was the champion for years at 168 and Calzaghe was never willing to go over and challenge for the titles (instead he defended the shitty WBO belt at home) He obviously avoided Froch.

There you go re-writing history to suit your own agenda.

By the time Joe fought Hopkins he had beaten 2 undefeated fighters Lacy and Kessler and then moved up to Light heavyweight to beat 2 legends Roy Jones and Hopkins. He was at the end of his career and retired.

[GaMo]

Yeah, thats what I said he ducked Ottke for years, moved up to avoid Pavlik and then fought a couple of 40 year olds and got dropped by them both (FACTS)

[Primo Carnera]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

Joe did not duck those fighters he had better offers and he did not struggle he beat them convincingly.

At light heavyweight he was past his prime.

Pavlik was unbeaten at the time and was willing to move up to fight Calzaghe but Joe decided to fight an old Hopkins instead. Ottke was the champion for years at 168 and Calzaghe was never willing to go over and challenge for the titles (instead he defended the shitty WBO belt at home) He obviously avoided Froch.

Now I was the one that said Ward beats JC , and I think highly of Joe, and I do accept he should've fought in the States more. But come on, he beats Ottke and as for saying that he avoided Froch implying Froch might've beat him is an absolute joke and exposes any credibility your argument might have.
Ward beat Froch EASY and Calzaghe would've completely SCHOOLED Froch, so it doesn't have any bearing on anything.

[GaMo]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

Joe did not duck those fighters he had better offers and he did not struggle he beat them convincingly.

At light heavyweight he was past his prime.

Pavlik was unbeaten at the time and was willing to move up to fight Calzaghe but Joe decided to fight an old Hopkins instead. Ottke was the champion for years at 168 and Calzaghe was never willing to go over and challenge for the titles (instead he defended the shitty WBO belt at home) He obviously avoided Froch.

Now I was the one that said Ward beats JC , and I think highly of Joe, and I do accept he should've fought in the States more. But come on, he beats Ottke and as for saying that he avoided Froch implying Froch might've beat him is an absolute joke and exposes any credibility your argument might have.
Ward beat Froch EASY and Calzaghe would've completely SCHOOLED Froch, so it doesn't have any bearing on anything.

He "would've" beat Ottke and he "would've" beat Froch but he didn't so it doesn't count. Floyd "would've" beat Thurman, Spence, Crawford, Golovkin and Garcia.

[Master]

Joe could have fought Ottke but the fight never happened. Both are to blame for that

Joe was at the end of his career and fought 2 legends which looks better on his record than Froch. If Joe beat him people like you would have said he was "green" and too early in Carl's career.

[imp]

Joe could have fought Ottke but the fight never happened. Both are to blame for that

Joe was at the end of his career and fought 2 legends which looks better on his record than Froch. If Joe beat him people like you would have said he was "green" and too early in Carl's career.

Hopkins fight was very close.
Hopkins would have got the nod if it wasn't for the white boy comment..then again, that comment made the fight.

Jones was done in the game and picking up pay checks...

Put the same Jones that fought Clinton woods against JC and you really think he would have lost?!

Triple jabs, double uppercuts, jumping uppercuts and hooks, stance switching and did we mention his counterpunch skills?!

Jones in his prime was a cartoon superhero with so many different attributes.

JC had fast hands and a heart full of Duracell but "timing" beats speed.

JC has to be one of the best at 168 (ever!) but lets really breakdown the facts before we put him above a prime Jones Jr.

[mikeeod]

Again, people on here are confusing their opinions regarding mythical match ups with historical ranking and who accomplished more. Roy may have been able to beat anyone who ever fought at 168, as may Joe C. That being said, Ward was more impressive and beat better competition at 168, completely cleaning out the division prior to moving up, which neither Joe nor Roy ever did (Joe partially unified at least). I will miss Andre Ward, and you can see how great of a fighter, and good of a man he is by how so many of his peers are reacting/speaking out after his retirement.

[GaMo]

Joe could have fought Ottke but the fight never happened. Both are to blame for that

Joe was at the end of his career and fought 2 legends which looks better on his record than Froch. If Joe beat him people like you would have said he was "green" and too early in Carl's career.

Hopkins fight was very close.
Hopkins would have got the nod if it wasn't for the white boy comment..then again, that comment made the fight.

Jones was done in the game and picking up pay checks...

Put the same Jones that fought Clinton woods against JC and you really think he would have lost?!

Triple jabs, double uppercuts, jumping uppercuts and hooks, stance switching and did we mention his counterpunch skills?!

Jones in his prime was a cartoon superhero with so many different attributes.

JC had fast hands and a heart full of Duracell but "timing" beats speed.

JC has to be one of the best at 168 (ever!) but lets really breakdown the facts before we put him above a prime Jones Jr.

Exactly! An old washed up Jones put Calzaghe down so imagine what he would've done to him in his prime.