Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Joe could have fought Ottke but the fight never happened. Both are to blame for that

Joe was at the end of his career and fought 2 legends which looks better on his record than Froch. If Joe beat him people like you would have said he was "green" and too early in Carl's career.
Hopkins fight was very close.
Hopkins would have got the nod if it wasn't for the white boy comment..then again, that comment made the fight.

Jones was done in the game and picking up pay checks...

Put the same Jones that fought Clinton woods against JC and you really think he would have lost?!

Triple jabs, double uppercuts, jumping uppercuts and hooks, stance switching and did we mention his counterpunch skills?!

Jones in his prime was a cartoon superhero with so many different attributes.

JC had fast hands and a heart full of Duracell but "timing" beats speed.

JC has to be one of the best at 168 (ever!) but lets really breakdown the facts before we put him above a prime Jones Jr.