Wow! Andre Ward retires!

[GaMo]

Yeah, thats what I said he ducked Ottke for years, moved up to avoid Pavlik and then fought a couple of 40 year olds and got dropped by them both (FACTS)

[Gandalf]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

You are silly. Calzaghe was the best fighter to have ever fought at 168 and beats everyone including Jones Jr and Toney. If you cannot stop him, then he beats you and nobody could stop him. There is no evidence to suggest Kovalev who hasn't been stopping anyone for a few years now would stop Calzaghe. Fighters have put him down, but he outhearts Kovalev and exhausts him. Don't forget how quick Calzaghe was, you cannot prepare for a style like that. Kovalev would have a hard time and would get slapped about. There is nothing to suggest Ward would be a problem for Calzaghe. He can make it as dirty as he likes, but he doesn't have power and cannot outland Calzaghe. Ward would be an easier fight than Kovalev IMO. Kovalev would be tricky early on with a good jab, but once he is worn down, Calzaghe takes over and frustrates him.

The main flaw of Kov and Ward is that they are low output fighters. It makes it even when they fight, but put a Calzaghe in and it's a different level of fighter.

[GaMo]

Calzaghe was the best fighter to have ever fought at 168 and beats everyone including Jones Jr .

[Gandalf]

Calzaghe was the best fighter to have ever fought at 168 and beats everyone including Jones Jr .

Says the man with posters of Adelaide Byrd on his wall. Don't tell me you don't think she is hot. I have seen your ugly girl threads.

[GaMo]

Calzaghe was the best fighter to have ever fought at 168 and beats everyone including Jones Jr .

Says the man with posters of Adelaide Byrd on his wall. Don't tell me you don't think she is hot. I have seen your ugly girl threads.

Better Byrd than Calzaghe You're clearly a faggot

[Gandalf]

Calzaghe was the best fighter to have ever fought at 168 and beats everyone including Jones Jr .

Says the man with posters of Adelaide Byrd on his wall. Don't tell me you don't think she is hot. I have seen your ugly girl threads.

Better Byrd than Calzaghe You're clearly a faggot

Joe Calzaghe in drag would be far more attractive than Byrd as whatever she is.

[imp]

There is no right or wrong answer on the winner with Ward vs Calzaghe.

Perhaps pick holes in their opponents and compare.

[Gandalf]

Plenty of holes in Wards opponents with all the headbutts. Do people remember the Kessler fight? It was one of the most despicable things I have ever seen, then to cap the career off with those low blows against Kovalev. Some might call it great, but Calzaghe knew how to shine with style.

[Ron Swanson]

Okay, picking Joe over Ward is acceptable but suggesting he has a better cv is asinine. Joe was a great fighter but had awful opposition compared to his talent level.

[Primo Carnera]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

Joe did not duck those fighters he had better offers and he did not struggle he beat them convincingly.

At light heavyweight he was past his prime.

Pavlik was unbeaten at the time and was willing to move up to fight Calzaghe but Joe decided to fight an old Hopkins instead. Ottke was the champion for years at 168 and Calzaghe was never willing to go over and challenge for the titles (instead he defended the shitty WBO belt at home) He obviously avoided Froch.

Now I was the one that said Ward beats JC , and I think highly of Joe, and I do accept he should've fought in the States more. But come on, he beats Ottke and as for saying that he avoided Froch implying Froch might've beat him is an absolute joke and exposes any credibility your argument might have.
Ward beat Froch EASY and Calzaghe would've completely SCHOOLED Froch, so it doesn't have any bearing on anything.

[GaMo]

Calzaghe was the best fighter to have ever fought at 168 and beats everyone including Jones Jr .

Says the man with posters of Adelaide Byrd on his wall. Don't tell me you don't think she is hot. I have seen your ugly girl threads.

Better Byrd than Calzaghe You're clearly a faggot

Joe Calzaghe in drag would be far more attractive than Byrd as whatever she is.

He's got a cock and knowing where he lives he's probably had it in a few sheep

[GaMo]

Calzaghe ducked Ottke, Froch, Pavlik and Taylor. He also scrapped by an old Hopkins so there’s no way he beats a prime Ward. Calzaghe struggled with Bika and Kessler while Ward made both those fights look easy. Ward would UD Calzaghe without much trouble. Kovalev would knock Calzaghe out early and easily.

Joe did not duck those fighters he had better offers and he did not struggle he beat them convincingly.

At light heavyweight he was past his prime.

Pavlik was unbeaten at the time and was willing to move up to fight Calzaghe but Joe decided to fight an old Hopkins instead. Ottke was the champion for years at 168 and Calzaghe was never willing to go over and challenge for the titles (instead he defended the shitty WBO belt at home) He obviously avoided Froch.

Now I was the one that said Ward beats JC , and I think highly of Joe, and I do accept he should've fought in the States more. But come on, he beats Ottke and as for saying that he avoided Froch implying Froch might've beat him is an absolute joke and exposes any credibility your argument might have.
Ward beat Froch EASY and Calzaghe would've completely SCHOOLED Froch, so it doesn't have any bearing on anything.

He "would've" beat Ottke and he "would've" beat Froch but he didn't so it doesn't count. Floyd "would've" beat Thurman, Spence, Crawford, Golovkin and Garcia.

[Master]

Joe could have fought Ottke but the fight never happened. Both are to blame for that

Joe was at the end of his career and fought 2 legends which looks better on his record than Froch. If Joe beat him people like you would have said he was "green" and too early in Carl's career.

[imp]

Joe could have fought Ottke but the fight never happened. Both are to blame for that

Joe was at the end of his career and fought 2 legends which looks better on his record than Froch. If Joe beat him people like you would have said he was "green" and too early in Carl's career.

Hopkins fight was very close.
Hopkins would have got the nod if it wasn't for the white boy comment..then again, that comment made the fight.

Jones was done in the game and picking up pay checks...

Put the same Jones that fought Clinton woods against JC and you really think he would have lost?!

Triple jabs, double uppercuts, jumping uppercuts and hooks, stance switching and did we mention his counterpunch skills?!

Jones in his prime was a cartoon superhero with so many different attributes.

JC had fast hands and a heart full of Duracell but "timing" beats speed.

JC has to be one of the best at 168 (ever!) but lets really breakdown the facts before we put him above a prime Jones Jr.

[mikeeod]

Again, people on here are confusing their opinions regarding mythical match ups with historical ranking and who accomplished more. Roy may have been able to beat anyone who ever fought at 168, as may Joe C. That being said, Ward was more impressive and beat better competition at 168, completely cleaning out the division prior to moving up, which neither Joe nor Roy ever did (Joe partially unified at least). I will miss Andre Ward, and you can see how great of a fighter, and good of a man he is by how so many of his peers are reacting/speaking out after his retirement.