Why are Americans not allowed to own mortars, tanks, grenades or Rockets?

[El Kabong]

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This is how you start a conversation about gun control, gun ownership....

What is justifiable self defense though?

I'm guessing that if someone walked up and punched you in the face that you wouldn't be allowed to shoot them dead, I would imagine/hope that you would have to answer some serious questions if that happened.

But when is it acceptable to pull a gun? hows about if someone is waving a baseball bat around? would you be expected to run or would the courts look at that as a justifiable reason to use your gun?

Also would you be expected to try and incapacitate them (ie shoot them in the leg) or is 'self defense' classed as just self defense regardless of the outcome or severity.

Hows about you @El Kabong what would be your limit? would you be willing to take a good hard kicking before pulling your gun (obviously I'm talking about out on the street and not someone breaking into your home)

@Batman , thank you for being not an emotional wreck about the issue and thank you for asking sincere and well thought out questions.


A lot of the questions you bring up vary from state to state (that's also part of the Bill of Rights, Amendment 10 "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people").

In MY state there's a 'Stand your ground law' meaning in certain situations (in my home, in my car, at my business) I do not have to retreat. In SOME states there's the "duty to retreat" so use of deadly force, even if there's a chainsaw wielding sociopath in your living room at 3 a.m. the law ain't going to just allow you to shoot him dead right then and there...he pretty much has to have you cornered with no way out (kind of a shitty law IMO).

When is it ok to draw your firearm? It depends is my best answer because there's an infinite number of scenarios you could go through, however if you have a concealed carry permit you have to take a class and they do go over situations where it is acceptable and unacceptable to draw down on someone. You don't HAVE to actually draw a gun to scare somebody off anyway, just placing your hand on the butt of the gun and preparing to draw while giving a vocal warning SHOULD be good enough to ward off anyone unless they are a rabid dog or something. I'd tend to err on the side of not pulling the gun unless the situation is dire because you cannot un-shoot somebody.


It would be nice if it worked that way "just maim them"....but that is EXTREMELY difficult to do. The basic rule of gun ownership is #1. Never so much as aim at something you are not ok with killing. Also whenever you shoot if you're attempting to take down a person you ALWAYS shoot centermass in the chest and stomach area because this is the biggest target a human presents and is guaranteed to stop them in their tracks. Also one has to be aware that in a situation where your life is on the line/could be on the line your blood is pumping, your heart is racing, adrenaline is flowing and maybe you aren't as steady of a shot as you typically are at the gun range ergo a precision incapacitating shot is going to be WAAAAAY hard to land even for a very experienced shooter especially on a moving target. Also the leg has the femoral artery which if you so much as nick with a bullet that person could very likely bleed out within minutes.

I'm NOT a physically confrontational dude, I do know how to box a little and I can take care of myself if the situation arises, but I'm not one ot go looking for trouble as I know what can happen to me or my assailant. If it's just me 1 v 1 on the street and I'm carrying, I'm going to try my damnedest not to engage in a physical altercation as I'm not so much worried that I will just snap and shoot somebody but that my firearm could be taken and used either against me or others. If I got sucker punched let's say, I'd put my hand on my firearm and announce that I am indeed carrying. If I was wrestled down to the ground by surprise, I'd either attempt to get distance between my attacker and myself at which point I'd state that I'm carrying, OR I'd attempt to incapacitate my assailant immediately. Also let it be noted if you are concealed carrying you CANNOT drink any alcohol while carrying (which of course keeps a lot of these situations from occurring).


Again, great questions man and I hope I provided some satisfactory answers.

[Beanz]

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It ain't your Forum mate. You are now dictating the terms and format and style in which people are allowed to address you. You don't even show respect to fellow American gun owners posting on the subject. You don't give a fuck about free speech at all. If you want to be that controlling start your own site or forum you lazy arsehole

[ruthless rocco]

I don't know how to defend myself?

[El Kabong]

I don't know how to defend myself?

No, no, no, no......poor rocco, I didn't say that....I said you don't have the common sense to defend yourself which is completely different. It requires you to be more incompetent than somebody who just doesn't know HOW to defend himself. Lacking the common sense to defend yourself means you have no survival instinct. I mean it's YOU who does not comprehend natural law after all....a concept that's about 350 years old if not older.

[Dia bando]

Lets just say the USA brings in tough gun laws and they ban assault rifles what brave boys are going to knock doors to remove theses weapons
shit you would need a tank imagine the fire fights.
Really its not going to happen is it why because weather you like it or not its ingrained into there culture guns the right to bear arms outdated yes laws made in the day of black powder and flintlocks, today's weapons are a far cry from bygone day.
The carnage theses weapons can bring is for all to see Fuck America has to take it head out of its ass and realise some of its citizens are not fit to own a butter knife but fuck all will be done and more nut jobs will be able to own guns.

[El Kabong]

Lets just say the USA brings in tough gun laws and they ban assault rifles what brave boys are going to knock doors to remove theses weapons
shit you would need a tank imagine the fire fights.
Really its not going to happen is it why because weather you like it or not its ingrained into there culture guns the right to bear arms outdated yes laws made in the day of black powder and flintlocks, today's weapons are a far cry from bygone day.
The carnage theses weapons can bring is for all to see Fuck America has to take it head out of its ass and realise some of its citizens are not fit to own a butter knife but fuck all will be done and more nut jobs will be able to own guns.

"what brave boys are going to knock doors to remove theses weapons" Exactly


"the right to bear arms outdated yes laws made in the day of black powder and flintlocks, today's weapons are a far cry from bygone day." he said via the internet (if holding the First Amendment to the same standard as you're holding the Second Amendment).



"more nut jobs will be able to own guns" ....criminals aren't bothered by breaking the rules, law abiding citizens are. Why should I, a law abiding citizen surrender MY right when a criminal is just going to do whatever the fuck they feel like. There are no simple answers. And dude it's not like I'm going into the woods all fucking Rambo'ed out....I hunt mainly with a double barrel shotgun and a single shot rifle, I protect my home with a bit more though.

[GaMo]

Stupid question, explosives are only used to cause damage and destruction. There would be no reason to have them unless you worked in demolition. Why would you want a load of explosives in your house anyway? Unless you had a use for them they’d be completely pointless.

Why would you want a tank? They’re slow, heavy and probably cost a lot to run. I also imagine they’d be hard to drive on the road so once again it’s a stupid question.

[Spicoli]

You don't need to purchase a hand grenade if you really want to blow shit up 'real good' Brock. I hope you never get into judging fights relying on numbers to make a case like that . Oooor you can just rent a truck and go all retro Tim McVeigh style. How many fragmentation grenades can you fit inside of a single long gun case anyway.

[ruthless rocco]

I don't have the common sense to defend myself?

[walrus]

I don't have the common sense to defend myself?

Who let beanz son back on the forum

[El Kabong]

I don't have the common sense to defend myself?

Correct, that is my assertion.



Why would you defend yourself? You've asked me that question and apparently you do not feel it is moral/correct/lawful for me to do such, sooooo yeah I'm throwing your horseshit back at you.