Slugger vs. Swarmer.

[GaMo]

@mikeeod Tszyu could’ve moved up to 147 if he wanted challenges but he knew what would’ve happened if he got in there with the likes of Trinidad or Quartey so he stayed put at 140. The reason he never fought Floyd is because he was too busy quitting against Hatton. If Hatton and Phillips are stopping you then elite fighters like Trinidad, Mosley, De La Hoya and Mayweather would completely destroy you.

[mikeeod]

@mikeeod Tszyu could’ve moved up to 147 if he wanted challenges but he knew what would’ve happened if he got in there with the likes of Trinidad or Quartey so he stayed put at 140. The reason he never fought Floyd is because he was too busy quitting against Hatton. If Hatton and Phillips are stopping you then elite fighters like Trinidad, Mosley, De La Hoya and Mayweather would completely destroy you.

You make valid points, but would offer the following points of view for discussions sake:

1. Some fighters just have everything click at one specific weight (Kostya, Hagler, Monzon, Aaron Pryor...etc.), and remain at/dominate that weight. It makes the p4p discussion difficult because these guys are so firmidable at that weight, that they just seem unbeatable but never move up or down. Kostya was that fighter at 140.
2. Kostya hit his prime in late 2001/2002 when he was unifying and cleaning out 140, so Tito was at middleweight, Quartey was on a hiatus, Oscar was at 154, and Shane was looking to fight Vernon Forrest. In other words, no big fights available for him at 147 after he stops Judah in 2002.
3. Say what you will about Zab, but he was an undefeated phenom and favored by many to beat Kostya and he was obliterated. On that night anyone who ever fought at 140 has a tough fight on their hands.
4. Vince was HUGE at 140, and went through hell to come from behind and pull out the late stoppage. Ricky was in his prime and basically mauled and wrestled Kostay into submission. I don't see Floyd being as physical as either guy, and think Kostya preferred classic, speedy boxers like Zab and Sharmba Mitchell. I think Floyd wins because he was an ATG, but don't see it being a blowout or easy win at all.

[GaMo]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

[Master]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

[GaMo]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

[Master]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

[GaMo]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?