Slugger vs. Swarmer.

[Master]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

[GaMo]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?

[Master]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?

It was a unification fight and Zab was favourite but got blitzed. Kostya is a great boxer with amateur and professional pedigree. What is not to like.

Your taste is weird.

[GaMo]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?

It was a unification fight and Zab was favourite but got blitzed. Kostya is a great boxer with amateur and professional pedigree. What is not to like.

Your taste is weird.

I was talking about your sudden love for Judah. You say you like active fighters yet Tszyu only fought 34 times in 13 years!

[Master]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?

It was a unification fight and Zab was favourite but got blitzed. Kostya is a great boxer with amateur and professional pedigree. What is not to like.

Your taste is weird.

I was talking about your sudden love for Judah. You say you like active fighters yet Tszyu only fought 34 times in 13 years!

Judah was a very talented fighter but people remember his losses.

[GaMo]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?

It was a unification fight and Zab was favourite but got blitzed. Kostya is a great boxer with amateur and professional pedigree. What is not to like.

Your taste is weird.

I was talking about your sudden love for Judah. You say you like active fighters yet Tszyu only fought 34 times in 13 years!

Judah was a very talented fighter but people remember his losses.

People remember his losses because those were his big fights! Tszyu was a good fighter who unified a weak division and defended his titles at the bare minimum. Floyd would beat him no problem and deep down you know it.

[Primo Carnera]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?

It was a unification fight and Zab was favourite but got blitzed. Kostya is a great boxer with amateur and professional pedigree. What is not to like.

Your taste is weird.

I was talking about your sudden love for Judah. You say you like active fighters yet Tszyu only fought 34 times in 13 years!

Judah was a very talented fighter but people remember his losses.

Yep, and there were a lot of losses. To every top fighter he ever fought. So , yes a talented fighter, but short of top, top level.

[GaMo]

The Judah win was good at the time but Judah went on to be a whipping boy for the big names. Tszyu’s win over Judah is a bit like Calzaghe’s win over Lacy in the sense that it diminished over time. Tszyu did unify a weak division but he only had 34 fights in a 13 year career. I don’t think Mayweather breaks sweat beating Tszyu to be honest. Tszyu vs Gatti would’ve been interesting because Gatti could punch and Tszyu wasn’t hard to find so it would’ve made for exciting action while it lasted. Tszyu did nothing in his career to suggest he could’ve been competitive with Floyd and the difference in speed (and reflexes) would’ve been too much.

Tszyu timing was the best I have ever seen. If he can catch Zab, he could catch Floyd and if he can hit him he can knock him out like Shane nearly did.

Are you saying Zab is as good defensively as Mayweather? Surely not Let’s not forget Judah got beat on his own backyard by Baldomir! Cotto caught Judah but couldn’t catch Floyd. It was a reaching right he caught Judah with when Zab was backing straight up with his head high and hands low. Tszyu isn’t Mosley.

Kostya beat a prime Judah who was a master boxer at the time. After that Zab was never the same again.

You don’t honestly believe that? You bum the strangest fighters. Who had Judah beaten going into the Tszyu fight?

It was a unification fight and Zab was favourite but got blitzed. Kostya is a great boxer with amateur and professional pedigree. What is not to like.

Your taste is weird.

I was talking about your sudden love for Judah. You say you like active fighters yet Tszyu only fought 34 times in 13 years!

Judah was a very talented fighter but people remember his losses.

Yep, and there were a lot of losses. To every top fighter he ever fought. So , yes a talented fighter, but short of top, top level.

Top level? He got beat in his own backyard against Malinaggi and Baldimir!

[Master]

So there you have it GaMo. Quality over quantity with Kostya which is why he only a fewer fights than others.

[GaMo]

So there you have it GaMo. Quality over quantity with Kostya which is why he only a fewer fights than others.

What quality? Judah is his best win don’t think Cotto or Mayweather consider Judah the best guy they beat because they actually fought the best. Tszyu didn’t even lose to the elite!

[mikeeod]

So there you have it GaMo. Quality over quantity with Kostya which is why he only a fewer fights than others.

What quality? Judah is his best win don’t think Cotto or Mayweather consider Judah the best guy they beat because they actually fought the best. Tszyu didn’t even lose to the elite!

This is all opinion, so not saying mine is valid and yours isn't, but undefeated fighters are the hardest to defeat.(as the saying goes). The version of Judah that Kostya beat was the best version we saw (MUCH better than the one Cotto and Paulie beat), and Kostya destroyed him. Master is right when he says Judah came back for some decent wins after, and even showed glimpses of Great potential in some losses, but Zab became inconsistent after that first loss.

I also don't think you give Sharmba Mitchell as much credit as he deserves. Mitchell was a very good fighter, with solid boxing skills and good speed. Kostya definitely doesn't have the quality of opposition that Manny, Hop, Evander, Oscar...etc. had, but he didn't duck or fight weak opposition either.

[Master]

So there you have it GaMo. Quality over quantity with Kostya which is why he only a fewer fights than others.

What quality? Judah is his best win don’t think Cotto or Mayweather consider Judah the best guy they beat because they actually fought the best. Tszyu didn’t even lose to the elite!

This is all opinion, so not saying mine is valid and yours isn't, but undefeated fighters are the hardest to defeat.(as the saying goes). The version of Judah that Kostya beat was the best version we saw (MUCH better than the one Cotto and Paulie beat), and Kostya destroyed him. Master is right when he says Judah came back for some decent wins after, and even showed glimpses of Great potential in some losses, but Zab became inconsistent after that first loss.

I also don't think you give Sharmba Mitchell as much credit as he deserves. Mitchell was a very good fighter, with solid boxing skills and good speed. Kostya definitely doesn't have the quality of opposition that Manny, Hop, Evander, Oscar...etc. had, but he didn't duck or fight weak opposition either.

Exactly.

By the time Floyd and Cotto fought Zab he was not the top fighter he was when he lost for the first time. They had the sloppy seconds of Tszyu.