Is VADA too strict?

[ykdadamaja]

People assume VADA to be the standard because Floyd popularized it against Manny, when VADA and the other doping agencies may just be a good PR gimick. Floyd himself has tested POSITIVE for diuretics- the same stuff you use to increase urine to help mask other doping agents.

[Master]

People assume VADA to be the standard because Floyd popularized it against Manny, when VADA and the other doping agencies may just be a good PR gimick. Floyd himself has tested POSITIVE for diuretics- the same stuff you use to increase urine to help mask other doping agents.

Did he?

I thought he was using IV blood into his system to recover more quickly.

[El Kabong]

He has numbed up his hands for fights I know that much and that seems slightly wrong

[ykdadamaja]

He has numbed up his hands for fights I know that much and that seems slightly wrong

That too. And, his excuse is/was as crazy as Ortiz's excuse: His was that he got an IV diuretic because he wanted to recover faster. That IS why people take PEDs in the first place- to give them an advantage. In his case it was recuperative powers. In the case of Ortiz, he wanted to ease his blood pressure.

But, my issue is that some of these things guys are getting popped for CAN and ARE used for medical purposes.

[Ron Swanson]

To clear a few more things up.

WADA is World Anti-Doping Agency. They set international standards. They don’t do any actual testing, they are overseers. For example they investigated the whole Russian Sochi scandal, they oversaw the testing, but the testing was done by RUSADA-Russian Anti-Doping Agency.

In US testing is done by USADA, WADA sets USADAs standards. But boxing doesn’t fall under WADAs supervision. So when USADA got into boxing they chose how it was done.

VADA was designed specifically for boxing so of course it is better in a boxing specific sense. But even they have different standards. For their protocol to truly be effective fighters need to be in the year round testing pool but very very few are.

And people that suggest USADA cares about Floyd’s money have no idea how much money is at stake.

[Master]

What does your last comment mean Ron?

[Ron Swanson]

It means if WADA determined that USADA was colluding with test subjects they could force their grant to be pulled until new players are in charge. What USADA gets from all boxers combined is nothing compared to their grant money.

[J_Undisputed]

Couple of things to note:

Floyd uses USADA not VADA, because USADA was in his pocket and wrote him exemptions for stuff like the IV he received before the pac fight. VADA is the more stringent of the two and run by Dr. Margaret Goodman. The ring doctor in vegas for many fights in the 90's (working in tandem with Flip Homansky)

-High blood pressure medications keep the arteries open and so the heart doesn't have to work as hard to get oxygenated blood to the organs which means it does the same for muscles. This will save someone from a heart attack or stroke but could benefit a healthy person in a training regimen. Just because you have it prescribed to you to fix an issue, doesn't mean your not receiving the benefits of the medicine. One could easily ask what a person naturally in danger of a heart attack or stroke (without the meds) is doing getting punched in the head/chest for a living. As Spicoli said, Ortiz has been popped before...

I think the WADA has a much broader list because they are charged with regulating international competition like the Olympics and world championships and people take that super seriously because its not about paychecks (its endorsements possible for the athletes) but for countries its all about nationalistic pride (which leads to morale, control, compliance) so countries do anything to get their athletes to the medal ceremony.

[ykdadamaja]

Couple of things to note:

Floyd uses USADA not VADA, because USADA was in his pocket and wrote him exemptions for stuff like the IV he received before the pac fight. VADA is the more stringent of the two and run by Dr. Margaret Goodman. The ring doctor in vegas for many fights (working in tandem with Flip Homansky)

-High blood pressure medication keep the arteries open and so the heart doesn't have to work as hard to get oxygenated blood to the organs which means it does the same for muscles. This will save from a heart attack or stroke but could benefit a healthy person in a training regimen. Just because you have it prescribed to you to fix an issue, doesn't mean your not receiving the benefits of the medicine. One could easily ask what a person naturally in danger of a heart attack or stroke (without the meds) is doing getting punched in the head/chest for a living. As Spicoli said, Ortiz has been popped before...

I think the WADA has a much broader list because they are charged with regulating international competition like the Olympics and world championships and people take that super seriously because its not about paychecks (its endorsements possible for the athletes) but for countries its all about nationalistic pride (which leads to morale, control, compliance) so countries do anything to get their athletes to the medal ceremony.

Ortiz was caught for the very same thing. Thiazide.