I've been to 5 African countries: trust me, they're shitholes

[Gandalf]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...enborough.html

[Gandalf]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1A30QD

[Master]

It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.

Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

[Gandalf]

The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

[Gandalf]

I quite agree that a lot of men are no good. So why be involved with them? In the West it is like with Carrillion. We bail out those who act the most improperly. There is no penalty for risky behavior. In fact, prefering bad role models is quite hip. Amir Khan probably does quite well carrying on like he does. Yet women seem to enable him!

[Spicoli]

The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

Jack rabbit baby making for various reasons isn't exclusive to Africa, 2 upper middle class wankers living in Vegas have just been locked up for starving and shackling a total of 13 of their own children, until one escaped. Pretty sick story early on.

[Gandalf]

No it isn't exclusive to Africa as we see with these stories of families in the West of 10 or more children. Less intelligent people do not consider their impact on the planet or even think about what they are doing. Amir Khan is very wealthy, but he is a perfect example of a thicko that no woman should be getting involved with. Yet here he is about to be a dad. He is clearly going to cause havoc. However, the woman mothering this baby knew full well what she was getting into. Luckily for her he does have money. The poor women who get into that kind of pickle will end up needing the taxpayer to pick things up when it goes wrong as it so obviously will. It sounds extreme but anybody can become a Mum and I think that is a tragedy for all too many babies. Before you can teach you need qualifications. Before you can drive a car you must pass a test. To hand out meds you should pass a course in pharmacology.....yet anyone can be a Mum whenever they want and that is fricking crazy when you think about the social, economic, and moral ramifications. We are seeing the fallout today in Africa and also in the West with the single Mums who seem to be everywhere. No training, kids guzzling sugar, no vegetables, neglect, abuse, surrounded by alcohol, smoke and drugs. It's toxic.

[Master]

The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

Some women do not have control over their bodies and are "sold" to other men. They are considered baby making machines.

[Gandalf]

The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

Some women do not have control over their bodies and are "sold" to other men. They are considered baby making machines.

That is unlikely to be the primary reason for Africa's population expansionism problems. If it was then it would suggest Trump was more on the ball than we realised. Anywhere where women are treated as baby making slaves has to be a bit of a shithole. The real issue is that Africans refuse to use contraception. Then because of that they then demand that their children be let into Europe to then have far too many children there and change the demographics forever. Eventually what you have is not Europe, but an extension of Nigeria which is so great that people are constantly trying to escape.

[Master]

The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

Some women do not have control over their bodies and are "sold" to other men. They are considered baby making machines.

That is unlikely to be the primary reason for Africa's population expansionism problems. If it was then it would suggest Trump was more on the ball than we realised. Anywhere where women are treated as baby making slaves has to be a bit of a shithole. The real issue is that Africans refuse to use contraception. Then because of that they then demand that their children be let into Europe to then have far too many children there and change the demographics forever. Eventually what you have is not Europe, but an extension of Nigeria which is so great that people are constantly trying to escape.

I was making a general point that women do not always have the sole control over their own bodies.

[Dark Lord Al]

It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

[Gandalf]

It is not diabolical to suggest that women be more responsible and stop having so many children. Looking at the immigration which is mostly young men, it makes you wonder if any of these men are actually in relationships or acting as fathers. Women should not be having relationships with low quality men. There is no excuse for it.

The point being though that there are too many ofthem and it is not sustainable. The mood in Europe now is that Europeans have had enough of unskilled young men flooding their countries. There are too many of them simply because of the excessive birth rates. Africa has done it to itself.

A man cannot give birth but a woman chooses to get pregnant and chooses to keep the baby. She controls the situation. It shouldn't be easy to knock someone up. It's not classy. If she does this again and again then you have to question her behavior. It's a given that all too many men are rascals. There should be no child unless there are resources, commitment, and love.

Unfortunately there seems to be very little thinking going on whence the population problems.

[Fenster]

It is not diabolical to suggest that women be more responsible and stop having so many children.

I agree.

Looking at the immigration which is mostly young men, it makes you wonder if any of these men are actually in relationships or acting as fathers. Women should not be having relationships with low quality men. There is no excuse for it.

This bit is diabolical.

A man cannot give birth but a woman chooses to get pregnant and chooses to keep the baby. She controls the situation. It shouldn't be easy to knock someone up. It's not classy. If she does this again and again then you have to question her behavior. It's a given that all too many men are rascals.

And this bit.

You're essentially blaming the victim. Everything is the womans fault, even the terrible behaviour of the man, who bears no responsibility for the children, mother, contraception, etc.

The lives/opportunities of young mothers from the west and poor countries are totally different, you don't even make the distinction, they're all just terrible women making selfish evil choices.

You identify thousands of young possible squrters leaving their families to find a better life yet blame the women from those countries for not having the education, means and forward planning to comfortably raise the offspring. Most of these people are polluted with religion, the woman has no rights or choice in her partner, raising children is their job, they rely on the man as the bread winner, contraception/abortion is not even an option.

[Gandalf]

Generally getting pregnant is not about being a victim. If you are suggesting otherwise and that life for women really is this bad then where is the controversy over what Trump said? I am saying you cannot have it both ways. I am also saying why are you letting all these men into Europe too?

Certainly in the West getting pregnant is a personal choice and the woman is generally not a victim. She chooses her partner and lets things happen. It is a choice to get pregnant to men who are not suitable father material. The state will let them jump the line to housing and benefits. They are rewarded.

At the end of the day you typically choose who you sleep with and with and can choose if you get pregnant. We see in Asia people have less children. Africa for various reasons refuses to exercise the same vigilance and it is even more cruel considering there are no resources. It is selfish. To be fair I will say the men are being selfish too.

[Master]

It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

Germany has a aging population which is one of the reasons they took mass migration.

Whilst the children get educated they will want to secure good jobs after and do better than their parents.

You can see the next generation coming through, look at the German or Italy with boxers and footballers with Turkish and African backgrounds. France and England have longer history of it.