Joshua v Parker - 31/3/18

[Master]

He's already been stripped of the Ring belt as of yesterday 😉

I was saying they should give it to the winner of AJ v Parker and not wait for AJ v Wilder.

Their argument made perfect sense. they don't want to give it to the #1 v #3 when #2 is fighting and active. they want to wait till Joshua fights Wilder. there's enough organisations giving out bullshit trinkets, they want this to be more meaningful.

Number 1 and 3 are undefeated champions so it is meaningful. If AJ was a yank or signed up with GBP I am sure this would have enjoyed been for the Ring belt.

[Primo Carnera]

He's already been stripped of the Ring belt as of yesterday 😉

I was saying they should give it to the winner of AJ v Parker and not wait for AJ v Wilder.

Their argument made perfect sense. they don't want to give it to the #1 v #3 when #2 is fighting and active. they want to wait till Joshua fights Wilder. there's enough organisations giving out bullshit trinkets, they want this to be more meaningful.

Number 1 and 3 are undefeated champions so it is meaningful. If AJ was a yank or signed up with GBP I am sure this would have enjoyed been for the Ring belt.

The way I see it, the Ring want their "Belt" to be for the stand out best guy in the division. So they don't see no.1 v no.3 being good enough, because they feel no.2 has a squeak of beating no.1.
How would you feel if they classed no.1 as Wilder and no. 3 as Ortiz and decided that would be for the Ring belt? It's not inconceivable and would be as equally unfair.

[Alpha]

I think the only time The Ring has accepted #1 vs #3 for the championship was Wlad vs Chagaev. The old editor updated the championship policy, it will be interesting to see if Dougie revisits them and makes any changes.

[Alpha]

Is this fight going to be on Showtime? I still haven't heard anything yet.

[Master]

Is this fight going to be on Showtime? I still haven't heard anything yet.

I thought AJ had a contract with them.

[Alpha]

Is this fight going to be on Showtime? I still haven't heard anything yet.

I thought AJ had a contract with them.

Yeah just seems strange nothing has been announced yet.

[Master]

Is this fight going to be on Showtime? I still haven't heard anything yet.

I thought AJ had a contract with them.

Yeah just seems strange nothing has been announced yet.

Are his fights ppv there? Are Wilders?

[Fenster]

How would you feel if they classed no.1 as Wilder and no. 3 as Ortiz and decided that would be for the Ring belt? It's not inconceivable and would be as equally unfair.

They're rated 2 and 5 so wouldn't make sense.

The 1 vs 3 can be for the Ring belt but in this scenario, where Wilder is clearly regarded as no.2, in his pomp, active and the most glamorous opponent for Joshua, it would have cheapened their status to award the title for the sake of it.

[Alpha]

How would you feel if they classed no.1 as Wilder and no. 3 as Ortiz and decided that would be for the Ring belt? It's not inconceivable and would be as equally unfair.

They're rated 2 and 5 so wouldn't make sense.

The 1 vs 3 can be for the Ring belt but in this scenario, where Wilder is clearly regarded as no.2, in his pomp, active and the most glamorous opponent for Joshua, it would have cheapened their status to award the title for the sake of it.

Yep, I think the only time 1 vs 3 has been for a Ring belt was Wlad/ Chagaev.

[Primo Carnera]

How would you feel if they classed no.1 as Wilder and no. 3 as Ortiz and decided that would be for the Ring belt? It's not inconceivable and would be as equally unfair.

They're rated 2 and 5 so wouldn't make sense.

The 1 vs 3 can be for the Ring belt but in this scenario, where Wilder is clearly regarded as no.2, in his pomp, active and the most glamorous opponent for Joshua, it would have cheapened their status to award the title for the sake of it.

Yeah, but what I was saying to Master, was how would he feel IF they rated Wilder above Joshua and Ortiz above Parker. Would he still be clamouring for it to be for the Ring belt, or would he be moaning that AJ wasn't involved. Just proving that it works both ways and trying to be consistent.

[Fenster]

The Ring belt and lineal are different, you can trace lots of differences going way back, however, they really went astray after stopping their ratings system in the late 80s. When they restarted they ignored their own history which threw up nonsense like Roy Jones being "THE man" at lightheavy even though the true linage could be traced to Michalczewski (so Roy was Ring champion but not lineal).

Fans constantly confuse the two as they often are in alignment when new linages are created as the top two in a division are almost always the standout best.

As for no.1-vs-no.3 - the Wlad-Chagaev situation happened because of Vitali being rated no.2. However, Bute was Ring no.1/2 (?) when Ward-Froch fought for the title. Pretty sure there are several cases in recent years (can't think off the top of my head though).

[Alpha]

In pretty sure Ward and Froch were 1 and 2 when they fought. Could be wrong.

[Fenster]

You could be right too. I remember Bute had loads of fans that would argue his record was better than Froch's around that time, and he definitely was Ring no.1 at one point in front of both Ward and Froch.

[X]

The way I see it, the Ring want their "Belt" to be for the stand out best guy in the division.

I think (traditionally) the Ring belt has been lineal. So, for example, when Mike Tyson had every other belt going, Micheal Spinks had the Ring 'belt' because he had beaten Holmes, who had beaten Ali, who had beaten Etc etc.

They have accepted lower ranked people before .... I think they set up the Marvin Hart v Jack Root fight for the World Heavyweight Title when James J Jeffries retired

[Alpha]

The way I see it, the Ring want their "Belt" to be for the stand out best guy in the division.

I think (traditionally) the Ring belt has been lineal. So, for example, when Mike Tyson had every other belt going, Micheal Spinks had the Ring 'belt' because he had beaten Holmes, who had beaten Ali, who had beaten Etc etc.

They have accepted lower ranked people before .... I think they set up the Marvin Hart v Jack Root fight for the World Heavyweight Title when James J Jeffries retired

The only fight I can think of that wasn't 1 vs 2, since they re-introduced their championship policy was Wlad/ Chagaev.