Does Wilder have more Charisma than AJ?

[Ron Swanson]

People see charisma differently. Most find Spence boring speaking very plain and honest. I find him to be easily the most charismatic fighter going.

I like AJ as a fighter but I find him very fake so no, his personality does not inspire devotion from me. Wilder, I don't know what to make of that guy. His words don't meet with his career so it comes off fake too.

They aren't Keith Thurman fake but they're fake and I don't follow that. Let's just see them fight.

[TitoFan]

Tough crowd in here.

All I see are two highly skilled professional athletes at the top of their game, both with explosive potential inside the ring, and totally different personalities out of it. Wilder's been fed a bunch of nobodies to fatten up his record... but slowly he's getting credible victories under his belt, and making it harder and harder for the haters to keep hating. I've been a long time skeptic... but I applaud some of his recent fights. Ortiz may have been old and on the downside of his career... but he was still a dangerous, avoided fighter. Wilder took him on and knocked him out. AJ brought out the offense in Wlad, something that hadn't been done in decades. The best HW title fight in many many moons, IMO. For that I thank both of them. They seem to be on a collision course. Let's look forward to that. As far as charisma, at this point I don't give a rat's ass. Wilder is exuberant.... we should see as much in some of the jaded professional athletes nowadays. He's confident and he's proud. Hardly damning qualities for a heavyweight boxing champion. AJ is less outgoing, but seems like a truly nice guy. So I like both of them. Also, it's downright refreshing to see two heavyweight fighters who keep in excellent shape, and who can talk in a manner that can be understood by a normal human being, something that I remember guys like Toney and Bowe totally lacked.

I'm back to liking the heavyweight division again.

[Gandalf]

James Toney has more charisma than both of them combined and is probably heavier too. He would beat them both on the same night in his Rahman prime.

[TitoFan]

James Toney has more charisma than both of them combined and is probably heavier too. He would beat them both on the same night in his Rahman prime.

Toney has a lot more something than both of them combined..... but it's that something you find in abundance on the outer layers of whales.

[El Kabong]

James Toney has more charisma than both of them combined and is probably heavier too. He would beat them both on the same night in his Rahman prime.

Toney has a lot more something than both of them combined..... but it's that something you find in abundance on the outer layers of whales.

Steroids.....oh blubber...blubber......I'm going with steroids



I will say if there was ever a fighter I'd buy the whole "Contaminated beef" excuse for failing a PEDs test from it would be James Toney....."Well he does seem to enjoy eating....maybe he ate too much"

[TitoFan]

Good point, Lyle. Just how do you pick out the contaminated meat from the UN-contaminated?
Case in point...........

[J_Undisputed]

As Memphis mentioned. I think its all about how you define charisma. There's more to it than just confidence. There has a to be a certain draw there that pulls people to a persons character. Just as with many things today there are a lot of messages lost because of the opinion of the source. It's like people wearing big vagina costumes and hats in the US telling us that we should respect women, take them seriously and pay them equal salaries. The message is totally clouded by the presentation. This is the problem I have with Wilder. His brash persona, poor sportsmanship displays and in ring antics make it hard to take him seriously or really advocate for him being an ambassador of the sport (not that he wants to be nominated). Disrespect of his opponents and the lack of honor to learn his craft (he can at least stop swinging across his own body with those door knocker punches) detract from any earnest backing the guy has from coming from his journey from humble beginnings to support his daughter with a debilitating condition. Now no one says he has to do it the way I or anyone else likes. Hes free to do what he wants, opinions be damned. For me, its at least partly why I can't call his appeal charismatic as much as attribute it to the train wreck effect.

Joshua on the other hand is rather vanilla, no frills. In many way just like Lennox remained low key, he tends to fly under the radar. Is that charismatic? No not really. But if you're taking yourself seriously, your craft seriously and are cognizant of the effect you have on the people around you and the sport as a whole... People can find reasons to like you for at least not rocking the boat just for the sake of making waves. Is he the heir apparent people are hyping him to be? That remains to be seen but slow and steady wins the race as they say. For me the smiling gracious winner does more for ones image than all the asinine self promoting and screaming the other guy does. So he may not be the show stopper many want to see yet, but he has an honest shot at it as long as he can remain dominant in the ring. Even Lennox benefited from that.

People want to see the bad guy get punished more than they like to the good guy get rewarded... it doesn't amount to charisma. Charisma emanates from within the individual not from the situation. Just like the saying about who a person is, not being defines by what happens to them but how they deal with it.

[holmcall]

Tough crowd in here.

All I see are two highly skilled professional athletes at the top of their game, both with explosive potential inside the ring, and totally different personalities out of it. Wilder's been fed a bunch of nobodies to fatten up his record... but slowly he's getting credible victories under his belt, and making it harder and harder for the haters to keep hating. I've been a long time skeptic... but I applaud some of his recent fights. Ortiz may have been old and on the downside of his career... but he was still a dangerous, avoided fighter. Wilder took him on and knocked him out. AJ brought out the offense in Wlad, something that hadn't been done in decades. The best HW title fight in many many moons, IMO. For that I thank both of them. They seem to be on a collision course. Let's look forward to that. As far as charisma, at this point I don't give a rat's ass. Wilder is exuberant.... we should see as much in some of the jaded professional athletes nowadays. He's confident and he's proud. Hardly damning qualities for a heavyweight boxing champion. AJ is less outgoing, but seems like a truly nice guy. So I like both of them. Also, it's downright refreshing to see two heavyweight fighters who keep in excellent shape, and who can talk in a manner that can be understood by a normal human being, something that I remember guys like Toney and Bowe totally lacked.

I'm back to liking the heavyweight division again.

Fantastical post!! shall "steal" with your permission and a couple of quotation marks.