Vasyl Lomachenko v Jorge Linares on May 12th NYC

[Alpha]

Same goes for both, especially Shiming, who's all of 9-2 and has already been a (cough) world champion. That's just me. I'm sure there's plenty of fans who don't mind the shortcut treatment. I'll give Loma this, at least he didn't start off his first 30 professional fights fighting cadavers, ala Canelo. I think you have it all wrong. I don't "disrespect" Loma for..... and I quote..... "going immediately for the titles". I'd bet more than a handful of guys, coming off the amateurs, are probably full of themselves enough that they'll take a title fight 1 or 2 fights into their pro careers if you grant it to them. As was said by another poster, it's something that should be earned, not given to you because of all the amateur career buildup/hype. Hell... Loma will probably end up being an ATG before it's all over. But IMO, he shouldn't have been granted a world title fight in his 2nd pro contest.

Well you're nothing if not consistent, so that is all I was worried about. I think if a fighter is ready for the big leagues then he's ready for the big leagues and there's no need to risk damaging him in unnecessary fights if he's already ready to contend for a title. That's the trouble with boxing, you see some fighters get rushed and some fighters take it too slow and you're left wondering "What could have been?" in both cases.


Is Shiming even still fighting at this point? He's been out since his TKO loss in July of 2017.


Lomachenko is a dominant fighter very impressive to watch him work.

Yea I like to see young guys moved fast, the Japanese are great at testing their prospects. There are also many guys from other nations being moved fast at the moment. Not getting a title shot in their 2nd fight fast but stepping up in competition.

I don't mind a fighter getting a title shot in their 2nd fight if they are ready and capable, although I feel it's unfair to those fighters who have fought (paid) their way into the rankings, especially #1 rated guy or the mandatory.

[TitoFan]

Same goes for both, especially Shiming, who's all of 9-2 and has already been a (cough) world champion. That's just me. I'm sure there's plenty of fans who don't mind the shortcut treatment. I'll give Loma this, at least he didn't start off his first 30 professional fights fighting cadavers, ala Canelo. I think you have it all wrong. I don't "disrespect" Loma for..... and I quote..... "going immediately for the titles". I'd bet more than a handful of guys, coming off the amateurs, are probably full of themselves enough that they'll take a title fight 1 or 2 fights into their pro careers if you grant it to them. As was said by another poster, it's something that should be earned, not given to you because of all the amateur career buildup/hype. Hell... Loma will probably end up being an ATG before it's all over. But IMO, he shouldn't have been granted a world title fight in his 2nd pro contest.

Well you're nothing if not consistent, so that is all I was worried about. I think if a fighter is ready for the big leagues then he's ready for the big leagues and there's no need to risk damaging him in unnecessary fights if he's already ready to contend for a title. That's the trouble with boxing, you see some fighters get rushed and some fighters take it too slow and you're left wondering "What could have been?" in both cases.


Is Shiming even still fighting at this point? He's been out since his TKO loss in July of 2017.


Lomachenko is a dominant fighter very impressive to watch him work.

Yea I like to see young guys moved fast, the Japanese are great at testing their prospects. There are also many guys from other nations being moved fast at the moment. Not getting a title shot in their 2nd fight fast but stepping up in competition.

I don't mind a fighter getting a title shot in their 2nd fight if they are ready and capable, although I feel it's unfair to those fighters who have fought (paid) their way into the rankings, especially #1 rated guy or the mandatory.

TBH guys, I'd rather a fighter be moved along a little "too fast" than "too slow". I'm dead set against the practice of fattening a guy's record just for the sake of the number. 40-0 means zilch, nada, zero.... if it consists of a bunch of nobodies. Especially when it happens in the friendly confines of your own backyard, where you're going to get all sorts of shady decisions to keep you on track. Guys that venture out of their hometown only after having fought about 30 times. I much prefer those who are traveling early in their careers, sometimes to meet elite fighters or champions in their home towns or countries. In the end, Lomachenko will prove his handlers right.... he may already have. But I still like the traditional way of bringing up fighters, regardless of their amateur careers. Loma is one of those notable exceptions. Alpha makes an interesting point. There are other nations who are bringing up their guys rather quickly. From what I've seen, there are different tendencies as far as this is concerned in different countries. In some, fighters with 10 pro fights are already fighting elite competition. In others, fighters with 30 pro fights are still fighting guys making their pro debuts, or with lousy W-L records.

[Alpha]

There are also certain other factors that can come into play, sometimes a guy stays in the ams longer and age dictates that he needs to be moved faster as well.

If a guy has an extensive am background, he should be stepping up slightly each fight, not padding his record against his with losing records.

[Primo Carnera]

The thing is with Loma, he was given a title shot in his 2nd fight. Was he out classed ? No. With any of the opportunities he has had, has he been found out ? No.
Then there’s the view that other fighters “deserved a shot” before him and had been waiting longer. Would any of them beat Loma? No.
So there we have it.

[TitoFan]

Yeah, and who knows how many other fighters were good enough to win a title in their 2nd pro fight before Loma.
Loma is not god. He's an excellent fighter who was given his chance immediately, while past fighters have always had to earn their shot.
I like career build up.
For those who don't.... goody.

[Alpha]

The thing is with Loma, he was given a title shot in his 2nd fight. Was he out classed ? No. With any of the opportunities he has had, has he been found out ? No.
Then there’s the view that other fighters “deserved a shot” before him and had been waiting longer. Would any of them beat Loma? No.
So there we have it.

He did lose that fight, he wasn't outclassed but he learned a heap from that fight. A fight or 2 against a top contender and he wins that fight easy.

[Primo Carnera]

The thing is with Loma, he was given a title shot in his 2nd fight. Was he out classed ? No. With any of the opportunities he has had, has he been found out ? No.
Then there’s the view that other fighters “deserved a shot” before him and had been waiting longer. Would any of them beat Loma? No.
So there we have it.

He did lose that fight, he wasn't outclassed but he learned a heap from that fight. A fight or 2 against a top contender and he wins that fight easy.

Yes, he lost. His team over estimated, but he/they learnt and have gone on from strength to strength. I think in this day and age when we have everybody avoiding everybody else in order to maintain their legacy, this attitude should be applauded.
if you're good enough to mix it, mix it. I'm a Mix over Marinate type of guy.