Creation and evolution aside,

[luvfightgame]

Miles,

First question...

Where did all of the matter to form the universe come from?


The law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. While it can be transformed from one form to another, the total amount of energy in the universe remains constant. Scientists in all fields, including astronomy, biology, chemistry, physics, and Earth science use this idea every day: The total amount of energy remains constant no matter what changes happen in any physical system.

Science has made a lot of developments for explaining the world in the last few hundred years. What has religious scripture really advanced? The further continuence of old wives tales?

Science is not yet ready to explain the creation of the universe but then again the bible has never been able to do so either. Science continues to evolve and let us understand more fully. The bible remains frozen in time.

It sounds a bit harsh perhaps but maybe there is no god and perhaps the universe is godless...is that so hard to deal with? I dont think so, god plays no part in your daily life so why worry about the higher question that shows no sign of existing anyways?

You need a god in your life and others dont..if that makes you more content then so be it....

What is you definition of heaven? Im so, so intrigued!

I'll interpret that to mean "I don't know".

One topic at a time, I would love to express my beliefs, but we are busy debating the "facts" of evolution.

Next question....

If all the matter was compressed together and began swirling around then exploded.... Every object in the universe would be spinning in the same direction. Why are some planets and moons both revolving and rotating in different directions than the rest of the planets?

[raleights]

SCIENTOLOGY IS REAL YOU KUNTS

[Gandalf]

SCIENTOLOGY IS REAL YOU KUNTS

Tom Cruise...what a twat...

[Gandalf]

Miles,

First question...

Where did all of the matter to form the universe come from?


The law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. While it can be transformed from one form to another, the total amount of energy in the universe remains constant. Scientists in all fields, including astronomy, biology, chemistry, physics, and Earth science use this idea every day: The total amount of energy remains constant no matter what changes happen in any physical system.

Science has made a lot of developments for explaining the world in the last few hundred years. What has religious scripture really advanced? The further continuence of old wives tales?

Science is not yet ready to explain the creation of the universe but then again the bible has never been able to do so either. Science continues to evolve and let us understand more fully. The bible remains frozen in time.

It sounds a bit harsh perhaps but maybe there is no god and perhaps the universe is godless...is that so hard to deal with? I dont think so, god plays no part in your daily life so why worry about the higher question that shows no sign of existing anyways?

You need a god in your life and others dont..if that makes you more content then so be it....

What is you definition of heaven? Im so, so intrigued!

I'll interpret that to mean "I don't know".

One topic at a time, I would love to express my beliefs, but we are busy debating the "facts" of evolution.

Next question....

If all the matter was compressed together and began swirling around then exploded.... Every object in the universe would be spinning in the same direction. Why are some planets and moons both revolving and rotating in different directions than the rest of the planets?

And you know nothing too...after all you believe in the world of the 900 year old men. keep reading that bible, dude. It tells you all. I wont even credit the bible with a capital letter, it aint worth gods time to worry about.

You know nothing except what your self righteous nut job faith tells you too...we have a conflict of opinion here, but im sure the majority of people that read will think you are the bigger nut job than me. Im sure that this must relate to your life outside of here too, because most people dont think like you....very weird!

[Gandalf]

Miles,

First question...

Where did all of the matter to form the universe come from?


The law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. While it can be transformed from one form to another, the total amount of energy in the universe remains constant. Scientists in all fields, including astronomy, biology, chemistry, physics, and Earth science use this idea every day: The total amount of energy remains constant no matter what changes happen in any physical system.

Science has made a lot of developments for explaining the world in the last few hundred years. What has religious scripture really advanced? The further continuence of old wives tales?

Science is not yet ready to explain the creation of the universe but then again the bible has never been able to do so either. Science continues to evolve and let us understand more fully. The bible remains frozen in time.

It sounds a bit harsh perhaps but maybe there is no god and perhaps the universe is godless...is that so hard to deal with? I dont think so, god plays no part in your daily life so why worry about the higher question that shows no sign of existing anyways?

You need a god in your life and others dont..if that makes you more content then so be it....

What is you definition of heaven? Im so, so intrigued!

I'll interpret that to mean "I don't know".

One topic at a time, I would love to express my beliefs, but we are busy debating the "facts" of evolution.

Next question....

If all the matter was compressed together and began swirling around then exploded.... Every object in the universe would be spinning in the same direction. Why are some planets and moons both revolving and rotating in different directions than the rest of the planets?

And you know nothing too...after all you believe in the world of the 900 year old men. keep reading that bible, dude. It tells you all. I wont even credit the bible with a capital letter, it aint worth gods time to worry about.

You know nothing except what your self righteous nut job faith tells you too...we have a conflict of opinion here, but im sure the majority of people that read will think you are the bigger nut job than me. Im sure that this must relate to your life outside of here too, because most people dont think like you....very weird!

Forgive me for being less than charming there people...It had to come out...

[luvfightgame]

I'll interpret that second answer to be "I don't know" also.

Why so hot under the collar. You have surely got some evidence to support your belief right

Or do you just believe it, just like I believe the Bible?

Here is the fact....

The big bang theory isn't based on fact. It is a belief. Therefore it is a religion not science.

Don't get too upset, that was only 2 questions and you had to put me in my place.....

[Gandalf]

I'll interpret that second answer to be "I don't know" also.

Why so hot under the collar. You have surely got some evidence to support your belief right

Or do you just believe it, just like I believe the Bible?

Here is the fact....

The big bang theory isn't based on fact. It is a belief. Therefore it is a religion not science.

Don't get too upset, that was only 2 questions and you had to put me in my place.....

You believe in the existence of 900= year old men with nothing to support your claim....if all of your theories come around to this then you look profoundly dumb...


still, if that is what you belive. that is cool, wth me!!

[luvfightgame]

I didn't try to sell my idea to you. I have stated numerous times it is my belief. I have faith.... not evidence. Your theory claims to have evidence when it doesn't.

Why is this theory taught as if it were absolute truth when there is no evidence to support this?

Why do people get so pissed off when defending "science" and the evolution theory

I am seriously hoping you can answer those questions.

[Gandalf]

I didn't try to sell my idea to you. I have stated numerous times it is my belief. I have faith.... not evidence. Your theory claims to have evidence when it doesn't.

Why is this theory taught as if it were absolute truth when there is no evidence to support this?

Why do people get so pissed off when defending "science" and the evolution theory

I am seriously hoping you can answer those questions.

I have always tried to give my time back to arguments like this, but its seems so pointless.

You are so obviously stuck in your relgio/bullshite routine that fact has no bearing on you...

You may as well be David Irvine repoting on the atrocities of Nazi Germany....I just dont believe you...because you aint got no facts anyways...

Jesus walked on water did he....and Michael Jackson is a modern saint!!!

[luvfightgame]

Can you read?

I will write it real big for you.....

[size=10pt]I DIDN'T TRY TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT MY BELIEFS. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I BELIEVE THE BIBLE BY FAITH. NOT EVIDENCE.[/size]


You wouldn't know if fact has any bearing on me cause you haven't presented any. You got pissed off and resorted to name calling when you couldn't answer a couple of simple questions.

[X]

If all the matter was compressed together and began swirling around then exploded.... Every object in the universe would be spinning in the same direction. Why are some planets and moons both revolving and rotating in different directions than the rest of the planets?

Come on, Luvfightgame, basic Physics 101 teaches (and proves) that is not true. Why should they spin in the same direction in a multidimensional vacuum. This is a basic provable fact.

It's the simple little things that you get wrong, yet speak so knowingly about, that weaken your arguments?

[luvfightgame]

Really?? Did I write this ridiculous theory

Approximately 13.7 billion years ago, the entirety of our universe was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularity, this is the moment before creation when space and time did not exist. According to the prevailing cosmological models that explain our universe, an ineffable explosion, trillions of degrees in temperature on any measurement scale, that was infinitely dense, created not only fundamental subatomic particles and thus matter and energy but space and time itself. Cosmology theorists combined with the observations of their astronomy colleagues have been able to reconstruct the primordial chronology of events known as the big bang.

Quantum theory suggests that moments after the explosion at 10 -43 second, the four forces of nature; strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electromagnetic and gravity were combined as a single "super force"(Wald). Elementary particles known as quarks begin to bond in trios, forming photons, positrons and netrinos and were created along with their antiparticles. There are minuscule amounts of protons and neutrons at this stage; approximately 1 for every one billion photons, neutrinos or electrons (Maffei). The density of the Universe in its first moment of life is thought to have been 1094g/cm3 with the majority of this being radiation. For each billion pairs of these heavy particles (hadrons) that were created, one was spared annihilation due to particle-antiparticle collisions. The remaining particles constitute the majority of our universe today (Novikov).



So you are saying the vacuum existed prior to the explosion? Please elaborate on this........................

[bigragu]

However if you believe in God, you no longer are limited to trying to explain the impossible through random chance alone.

Believing that God created everything is pretty limiting, don't ya think?


Life is not impossible, it's not a miracle.

exactly....most people need something to give them meaning.....they can't accept the fact that we are just here......but if that makes them a better person and not a hypocrate then that is cool....but keep that SH*T to yourself......more people have been killed because of this "GOD" character than anything else...Radical Muslims, The Crusades, George W. Bush...the list is too long to mention.....

You are sadly mistaken about who is behind the crusades. Also it's the religion that promotes evolution; secular humanism that is recommending eliminating 9/10ths of the worlds population.

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people. The American Stonehenge's reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government. The Guidestones' emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to "seeking harmony with the infinite" reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.

The message of the American Stonehenge also foreshadowed the current drive for Sustainable Development. Any time you hear the phrase "Sustainable Development" used, you should substitute the term "socialism" to be able to understand what is intended. Later in this syllabus you will read the full text of the Earth Charter which was compiled under the direction of Mikhail Gorbachev and Maurice Strong. In that document you will find an emphasis on the same basic issues: control of reproduction, world governance, the importance of nature and the environment, and a new spirituality. The similarity between the ideas engraved on the Georgia Guidestones and those espoused in the Earth Charter reflect the common origins of both.

so you pick one thing and try to make some BS Goergia Stones crap.....The rusades were fought over religion....it wasn't East vs west.....or North vs South......it was religions fighting with other religions.....anything to say about current affairs?

[luvfightgame]

Did I make that up? And what is b.s. about it?

If you would like to start a different thread to present information and debate about the crusades then I will gladly address it. However this thread was about creation vs evolution, and it continually gets sidetracked with people giving philosophical reasons for why God doesn't exist.

If there is so much scientific evidence to disprove creation, why hasn't anyone presented any? Your reasons for there not being a God have nothing to do with science, or evolution.

[Gandalf]

Can you read?

I will write it real big for you.....

[size=10pt]I DIDN'T TRY TO PRESENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT MY BELIEFS. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I BELIEVE THE BIBLE BY FAITH. NOT EVIDENCE.[/size]


You wouldn't know if fact has any bearing on me cause you haven't presented any. You got pissed off and resorted to name calling when you couldn't answer a couple of simple questions.

I can read quite well, and yes, I did get somewhat irritable with you. No real offence intended but your "faith" can be a little tedious when I am suffering from tiredness and jetlag!

At the end of the day, and I will reiterate once more. Science tries to offer more than just faith. It tries to offer theories and also recordable evidence to either support or disprove the said theory. This is way more palatable to me than to just read the bible and say "good stories. I may as well base my life on this then". I cannot and will not follow a faith blindly.

The big bang is indeed just a theory itself, but we have evidence to support the theory. That is good enough for me.