Pacquiao vs Matthysse

[Spicoli]

Manny finally cut ties with Roach . Hell is freezing over.

[Gandalf]

I think that is very uncool of Pac to cut off Roach like that. Roach helped to mold him into the fighter he became and that deserves a little loyalty.

[Spicoli]

He definitely blindsided him from what it sounds like. Has to be more to it.

[J_Undisputed]

Sounds like a battle of the aging achilles heels. Last time out, Matthysse looks dismal against a young kid who carried big at the weight and used his jab... Till he pulled a ko out of his @$$ .. that many people questioned whether or not the kid was taking a dive. I've always been a big fan of Matthysse and maybe there was a slight drop off as he got used to his new trainer, shook ring rust etc. but I think Lucas was slowly losing his passion for the sport before the postol loss. His chins probably not what it was before either.

Pac has always looked a tad predictable to me but the beauty of his style was that roach taught him how to punch in between his opponents punches. His last time out he showed little of that though he maintained his in and out footwork. He managed to get caught by a slow sloppy billy-goating horn who look to just weather the storm and bull him around the ring.

If this fight ever materialized i always saw pac just being too fast for Lucas to time. Now, he's probably still faster than Lucas expects him to be but very linear and easier to time. Pac doesn't have his pop, but Lucas doesn't have his chin. I think Roach was the key for Manny and the Key for Lucas is how bad he wants to keep this belt and whether or not him finally getting the title has renewed his passion. Based strictly on the location, its already leaning toward Manny and Lucas needs a knockout.

[Master]

Manny dropping Roach is a sure fire sign he will pack up his gloves very soon. PAC Man is trying to maximise his last remaining big salaries and Roach will not teach Manny that he does not know already.

[J_Undisputed]

Manny dropping Roach is a sure fire sign he will pack up his gloves very soon. PAC Man is trying to maximise his last remaining big salaries and Roach will not teach Manny that he does not know already.

Teach, no... remind... well, that something different entirely. With as much time off as pac takes, there's a plenty of rust negligence and oversight that can happen. The question is can the the replacement spot the holes and patch em on the fly.

I also think Manny and roach had a little bit of a rift because roach thought manny should retired and didnt give him a shining review after the last fight. So maybe manny didnt want to pay such a big cut of his salary for anything less than total unwavering ass kissing.

[Master]

Manny dropping Roach is a sure fire sign he will pack up his gloves very soon. PAC Man is trying to maximise his last remaining big salaries and Roach will not teach Manny that he does not know already.

Teach, no... remind... well, that something different entirely. With as much time off as pac takes, there's a plenty of rust negligence and oversight that can happen. The question is can the the replacement spot the holes and patch em on the fly.

I also think Manny and roach had a little bit of a rift because roach thought manny should retired and didnt give him a shining review after the last fight. So maybe manny didnt want to pay such a big cut of his salary for anything less than total unwavering ass kissing.

I am not saying what Manny has done is right and you are correct Manny does need to be trained by someone who knows him and will not be a yes man.