GGG vs Vanes

[Fenster]

His principles, like all fighters, probably lie with providing a living for his family not what a bunch of idealistic, greedy ghoulish fans demand.

When Golovkin is lying in hospital getting stitched up, having his injuries tended and his brain analysed for damage you won't be there, like you're not for all the months and months of training and promotion work. You get to switch your stream off until next time, he doesn't.

[powerpuncher]

His principles, like all fighters, probably lie with providing a living for his family not what a bunch of idealistic, greedy ghoulish fans demand.

When Golovkin is lying in hospital getting stitched up, having his injuries tended and his brain analysed for damage you won't be there, like you're not for all the months and months of training and promotion work. You get to switch your stream off until next time, he doesn't.

But the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.

Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.

[Gandalf]

His principles, like all fighters, probably lie with providing a living for his family not what a bunch of idealistic, greedy ghoulish fans demand.

When Golovkin is lying in hospital getting stitched up, having his injuries tended and his brain analysed for damage you won't be there, like you're not for all the months and months of training and promotion work. You get to switch your stream off until next time, he doesn't.

But the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.

Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.

That is very true. I will give GGG a pass for this fight seeing how it was all messed up by Canelo, but my point stands, and that is that you should be a man of principle and move on from Canelo. I don't think anyone is denying that GGG needs to provide for his family, but it is a bit like the mafia saying 'I know you have never broken the law, but this one time take the money and put a bullet in him. Your family could use the money. Your principles are there'. I mean you could do that, but why would you reward a man that has attempted to endanger your life by cheating and wasted a year of your life? Boxing is dangerous enough already. Nah, there is plenty of money at the top and you shouldn't sell out. You are the champion of the world. Just make good fights and the money will come in. It's not as much as if you sell your soul to the devil, but there really is more to life than money.

[Spicoli]

The irony is that nearly all are advocating for Golovkin one way or another while recognizing he's been left to sweep up Canelos shit show. It's a no win situation as you're ready for steak but are served potted meat last minute. No one is talking about starving his family ffs and frankly to put it simply..he's better than this just left to be just snatching up coins. After all he WON the fight between the two, well save for the judges. And the only cheat here is Canelo. A bad match is a bad match regardless of the situation and they have collectively let him to dangle in that condition.

[Ron Swanson]

The irony is that nearly all are advocating for Golovkin one way or another while recognizing he's been left to sweep up Canelos shit show. It's a no win situation as you're ready for steak but are served potted meat last minute. No one is talking about starving his family ffs and frankly to put it simply..he's better than this just left to be just snatching up coins. After all he WON the fight between the two, well save for the judges. And the only cheat here is Canelo. A bad match is a bad match regardless of the situation and they have collectively let him to dangle in that condition.

Exactly, suggesting GGG still is in need of anything after what boxing has given him is only typical deception.

GGG could have not boxed, he could have stayed in Kazakhstan if he had an average salary he would make 6,588$ a year. And because the Russians wanted to know the lasting effects of nuclear fallout so they intentionally did their nuclear testing above ground in Kazahkstan his family could have stayed there and died of cancer like many other Kazakhs.

GGG has done quite well in boxing, and when you do well in ANYTHING expectations come along with it. Suggesting that is not natural is deception of the most obvious variety.

[Spicoli]

The irony is that nearly all are advocating for Golovkin one way or another while recognizing he's been left to sweep up Canelos shit show. It's a no win situation as you're ready for steak but are served potted meat last minute. No one is talking about starving his family ffs and frankly to put it simply..he's better than this just left to be just snatching up coins. After all he WON the fight between the two, well save for the judges. And the only cheat here is Canelo. A bad match is a bad match regardless of the situation and they have collectively let him to dangle in that condition.

Exactly, suggesting GGG still is in need of anything after what boxing has given him is only typical deception.

GGG could have not boxed, he could have stayed in Kazakhstan if he had an average salary he would make 6,588$ a year. And because the Russians wanted to know the lasting effects of nuclear fallout so they intentionally did their nuclear testing above ground in Kazahkstan his family could have stayed there and died of cancer like many other Kazakhs.

GGG has done quite well in boxing, and when you do well in ANYTHING expectations come along with it. Suggesting that is not natural is deception of the most obvious variety.

In fairness I don't think boxing gives much to guys taking punches and we really cannot measure a mans needs. Golovkin merits everything he's earned based on those roots and what he came from and obvious ability. But that scale is a two way street and consumers call mismatches out be they some 4 round John Doe or one of the top p4p fighters today. My biggest problem is I think he's being played a bit and the pushback has already shifted off of Canelo the cheat.

[palmerq]

You guys can be so harsh on golovkin. This is a bollocks fight though, I would

[Ron Swanson]

The irony is that nearly all are advocating for Golovkin one way or another while recognizing he's been left to sweep up Canelos shit show. It's a no win situation as you're ready for steak but are served potted meat last minute. No one is talking about starving his family ffs and frankly to put it simply..he's better than this just left to be just snatching up coins. After all he WON the fight between the two, well save for the judges. And the only cheat here is Canelo. A bad match is a bad match regardless of the situation and they have collectively let him to dangle in that condition.

Exactly, suggesting GGG still is in need of anything after what boxing has given him is only typical deception.

GGG could have not boxed, he could have stayed in Kazakhstan if he had an average salary he would make 6,588$ a year. And because the Russians wanted to know the lasting effects of nuclear fallout so they intentionally did their nuclear testing above ground in Kazahkstan his family could have stayed there and died of cancer like many other Kazakhs.

GGG has done quite well in boxing, and when you do well in ANYTHING expectations come along with it. Suggesting that is not natural is deception of the most obvious variety.

In fairness I don't think boxing gives much to guys taking punches and we really cannot measure a mans needs. Golovkin merits everything he's earned based on those roots and what he came from and obvious ability. But that scale is a two way street and consumers call mismatches out be they some 4 round John Doe or one of the top p4p fighters today. My biggest problem is I think he's being played a bit and the pushback has already shifted off of Canelo the cheat.

If we didn't know he was waiting on Clanelo next, which means nothing towards who is the best middleweight in the world, I wouldn't care that he's fighting a guy who never made it moving up off a loss and a long layoff. If you look at GGGs CV this is no different than the rest. I just hate a meaningless fight before a meaningless fight when for the first time in so long there are many meaningful fights at the weight.

Jacobs rematch overdue
Charlo waiting
BJS waiting
Derevyanchenko waiting

I don't speak about Clanelo because he's a proven cheat. His ONLY relevance is money. Nobody will forget he is a cheat.

[Beanz]

His principles, like all fighters, probably lie with providing a living for his family not what a bunch of idealistic, greedy ghoulish fans demand.

When Golovkin is lying in hospital getting stitched up, having his injuries tended and his brain analysed for damage you won't be there, like you're not for all the months and months of training and promotion work. You get to switch your stream off until next time, he doesn't.

But the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.

Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.

Boxers don't owe the fans anything. You can vote with your wallet or your feet but they don't owe you or me owt. The irony is that Golovkin who has been a very active well traveled fighter who had to spend a long time flying under the radar despite a great amateur career, has just proved like Fenster has said, that many boxing fans still won't be happy, whatever he does.

[powerpuncher]

His principles, like all fighters, probably lie with providing a living for his family not what a bunch of idealistic, greedy ghoulish fans demand.

When Golovkin is lying in hospital getting stitched up, having his injuries tended and his brain analysed for damage you won't be there, like you're not for all the months and months of training and promotion work. You get to switch your stream off until next time, he doesn't.

But the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.

Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.

Boxers don't owe the fans anything. You can vote with your wallet or your feet but they don't owe you or me owt. The irony is that Golovkin who has been a very active well traveled fighter who had to spend a long time flying under the radar despite a great amateur career, has just proved like Fenster has said, that many boxing fans still won't be happy, whatever he does.

It’s like when McDonald’s food gets lower quality over time. It’s so popular that people will eat there still but I hear tons of people say they don’t like it anymore and refuse to eat there. Does McDonald’s owe it’s customers anything? Not technically, but they should cater to the people who are buying their food. It would be weird if their food became really low quality and you said “well they used to be really good and I owe it to them to keep eating there even though the food is gross now.”

I am a fan of GGG and have nothing against him. He has fought who he has needed to in the past but recently has let Canelo dictate his career because of the payday. It’s how business works I understand. It doesn’t make it alright though. It’s just unfortunate that a lot of consumers of the product are Mexicans that love lower quality boxing so will always buy Canelo fights.