The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Memphis]

On the face of it, Joshua must accept the offer, in principle at least. You could argue that he already has with his lets roll comment, how formal does it need to be? I for one wanted them to come back with an actual counter offer rather than a request for more money. They on the face of it at least have done that. The toss can be argued over all manner of nonsense but the fact remains, Joshua said give me $50 million, they've said OK.

The numbers side of things are still a mystery to me. Wilder's mob started peddling the $100 million dollar fight line but if they plan on genuinely giving AJ $50 million, they'll need a hell of a lot more than that. I've accused the $100 million club of wanting all of the money from all of the revenue sources from both sides of the pond all at the same time. If Wilder, or anyone else for that matter is considering getting paid, they'll need all that dough and then some.

[Primo Carnera]

If it comes off, I quite like the fact that there’s no rematch clause stipulation. Whoever wins holds ALL THE BELTS! There’s gonna be a lot of mandatories and these other fighters have patiently waited in line.
There should only ever be a rematch if the first fight was either shrouded in controversy or was too close to call.

[Primo Carnera]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

[Master]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

Eddie would be upset if Wilder gets that much.

[Primo Carnera]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

Eddie would be upset if Wilder gets that much.

If Wilder’s team are stumping up the cash to put the show on , then it is absolutely fuck all to do with Eddie what Wilder gets.
No different to if it was the other way round. His man gave a figure and Wilder reckons they can come up with that, and that’s all they need to know.
Have to say , I’ll believe it when I see it.

[Batman]

People are saying 'if AJ doesn't accept this offer then he is ducking Wilder' and shit like that but surely people understand that there is more to it that the final $$$ figure.

I mean the date and venue offered could be massive stumbling block along with the rematch clause (or lack thereof) AJ or Wilder will put their signature on the contract but that contract will only be presented to them when the people above believe it to be right, if it was just a case of fighters saying 'give me this much and I'll fight' then we would have a lot more big name fights.

I'm not getting into the realms of who is ducking who I'm just saying I don't give a fuck who gets what as long as the fight is made, I blame social media and sporting stars access it.

Do it in private and announce it when it is done.

[Primo Carnera]

People are saying 'if AJ doesn't accept this offer then he is ducking Wilder' and shit like that but surely people understand that there is more to it that the final $$$ figure.

I mean the date and venue offered could be massive stumbling block along with the rematch clause (or lack thereof) AJ or Wilder will put their signature on the contract but that contract will only be presented to them when the people above believe it to be right, if it was just a case of fighters saying 'give me this much and I'll fight' then we would have a lot more big name fights.

I'm not getting into the realms of who is ducking who I'm just saying I don't give a fuck who gets what as long as the fight is made, I blame social media and sporting stars access it.

Do it in private and announce it when it is done.

Yes, quite. And that’s exactly what AJ said. But then he goes and says “if they give me $50 mill and I’ll sign”
So , ultimately he has to live by that.
Of course, Wilder’s team have to back up their offer , so we shall see.

[Master]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

Eddie would be upset if Wilder gets that much.

If Wilder’s team are stumping up the cash to put the show on , then it is absolutely fuck all to do with Eddie what Wilder gets.
No different to if it was the other way round. His man gave a figure and Wilder reckons they can come up with that, and that’s all they need to know.
Have to say , I’ll believe it when I see it.

If the fight is worth $150 million then I am sure Eddie would want more.

[Batman]

There is a reason why elite boxers have so many people around them, AJ says give me 50 mill and I'll take the fight here and now, all of a sudden the legal eagles are on it saying ' percentage of this, percentage of that, merchandise of this, ticket sales of that, rematch for this, dodgy decision for that, but what about this, what happens if he pulls out, what happens if you pull out, neither of you will get pregnant but pulling out doesn't stop the risk of AIDS, and not good AIDS, you wanna make sure that you have yourself covered just in case you slip getting out of the shower yada yada yada, AJ will probably never see that $50 mill contract until it has got past the mathematicians above him.

yeah I've had a drink, but I still say I don't give a shit what either of the cunts get until it is signed, as long as the fight happens I'llm be happy

[TitoFan]

On the face of it, Joshua must accept the offer, in principle at least. You could argue that he already has with his lets roll comment, how formal does it need to be? I for one wanted them to come back with an actual counter offer rather than a request for more money. They on the face of it at least have done that. The toss can be argued over all manner of nonsense but the fact remains, Joshua said give me $50 million, they've said OK.

The numbers side of things are still a mystery to me. Wilder's mob started peddling the $100 million dollar fight line but if they plan on genuinely giving AJ $50 million, they'll need a hell of a lot more than that. I've accused the $100 million club of wanting all of the money from all of the revenue sources from both sides of the pond all at the same time. If Wilder, or anyone else for that matter is considering getting paid, they'll need all that dough and then some.

A rarity here....... someone who says "Ok I wanted to see "X" happen and it did, so I've recalibrated my opinion." Why is that so hard for people in general?

So here we are, with Wilder's team having made that very much wanted counter offer.

One thing puzzles me and I don't necessarily agree with. You say if they plan on paying Joshua $50 million, they'll need to have the fight make "a hell of a lot more than" the famous $100 million figure. How so? Unless third parties or the IRS are going to take an outsized bite out of Wilder's take, he stands to make a hell of a lot more than the paltry $12.5 million Hearn first threw at him. Again, I'm not pushing the $100 million narrative, but if it does make that much and Joshua gets $50 million, how is that not good for Wilder?

[Memphis]

On the face of it, Joshua must accept the offer, in principle at least. You could argue that he already has with his lets roll comment, how formal does it need to be? I for one wanted them to come back with an actual counter offer rather than a request for more money. They on the face of it at least have done that. The toss can be argued over all manner of nonsense but the fact remains, Joshua said give me $50 million, they've said OK.

The numbers side of things are still a mystery to me. Wilder's mob started peddling the $100 million dollar fight line but if they plan on genuinely giving AJ $50 million, they'll need a hell of a lot more than that. I've accused the $100 million club of wanting all of the money from all of the revenue sources from both sides of the pond all at the same time. If Wilder, or anyone else for that matter is considering getting paid, they'll need all that dough and then some.

A rarity here....... someone who says "Ok I wanted to see "X" happen and it did, so I've recalibrated my opinion." Why is that so hard for people in general?

So here we are, with Wilder's team having made that very much wanted counter offer.

One thing puzzles me and I don't necessarily agree with. You say if they plan on paying Joshua $50 million, they'll need to have the fight make "a hell of a lot more than" the famous $100 million figure. How so? Unless third parties or the IRS are going to take an outsized bite out of Wilder's take, he stands to make a hell of a lot more than the paltry $12.5 million Hearn first threw at him. Again, I'm not pushing the $100 million narrative, but if it does make that much and Joshua gets $50 million, how is that not good for Wilder?

I think we need to be clear about how we're defining 'The Pot' or how much money the fight makes. When I say $100 million, I mean gross, total revenue. I'm struggling to understand where $100 million gross comes from. If we're talking $100 million left in the pot for AJ and Wilder to share, then I'm really struggling.

If we take Ron's suggestion that the fight does 1 million PPV buys in the US, that's 50 million, which again as Ron pointed out, Showtime will take 50% of. So the biggest single source of income is now worth 25 million. You've now got to double your biggest single source of income to make enough money just to pay Joshua what you promised. No one else is getting paid any money yet.

[Beanz]

Hearn has contacted them asking them to provide paperwork



http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...nd-will-happen

[Ron Swanson]

Hearn has contacted them asking them to provide paperwork



http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...nd-will-happen

Basically he said no. "There are other offers, other terms to explore" then he asks for a contract when before he admitted a contract can't be made without the teams working together to work out the details. Eddie is maKing it quite clear from his carp offer to Wilder to "other terms to explore" that he "can get rich for no risk" and doesn't want risk.

Just agree and hammer out the details.

[brocktonblockbust]

A simple agreement. That is all. What anal retention going on there!

Joshua has already tweeted as we all saw yesterday that he would love to do that fight and he said let's get it on

[Ron Swanson]

A simple agreement. That is all. What anal retention going on there!

Joshua has already tweeted as we all saw yesterday that he would love to do that fight and he said let's get it on

Yes, obvious to see who is the one in the way. The guy that said "I don't want the Wilder fight yet" and "we can get rich with no risk"

Let's look, Eddie says you can't agree in principle without a contract, BS, it's done all the time.

Eddie says you don't give someone 24 hours if you are trying to make the fight. Eddie literally just have Wilders team 48 hours FFS.

Eddie says the offer is from a guy from Alabama, every person involved has said it's from the team.

Eddie says Wilder didn't get that kind of money to offer from boxing. Again, playing pretend about who the money is coming from.

Eddie says AJs tv rights need to be sorted. No shit, same as they would need to be negotiated from Eddie's fake offer.

Most importantly Eddie says they can work out different splits. No, your offer was crap. You said what you wanted, Wilders team offered MORE than what you asked for.

Agree, negotiate the details, and fight. Most importantly stop with the BS.