The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Primo Carnera]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

Eddie would be upset if Wilder gets that much.

If Wilder’s team are stumping up the cash to put the show on , then it is absolutely fuck all to do with Eddie what Wilder gets.
No different to if it was the other way round. His man gave a figure and Wilder reckons they can come up with that, and that’s all they need to know.
Have to say , I’ll believe it when I see it.

[Batman]

People are saying 'if AJ doesn't accept this offer then he is ducking Wilder' and shit like that but surely people understand that there is more to it that the final $$$ figure.

I mean the date and venue offered could be massive stumbling block along with the rematch clause (or lack thereof) AJ or Wilder will put their signature on the contract but that contract will only be presented to them when the people above believe it to be right, if it was just a case of fighters saying 'give me this much and I'll fight' then we would have a lot more big name fights.

I'm not getting into the realms of who is ducking who I'm just saying I don't give a fuck who gets what as long as the fight is made, I blame social media and sporting stars access it.

Do it in private and announce it when it is done.

[Primo Carnera]

People are saying 'if AJ doesn't accept this offer then he is ducking Wilder' and shit like that but surely people understand that there is more to it that the final $$$ figure.

I mean the date and venue offered could be massive stumbling block along with the rematch clause (or lack thereof) AJ or Wilder will put their signature on the contract but that contract will only be presented to them when the people above believe it to be right, if it was just a case of fighters saying 'give me this much and I'll fight' then we would have a lot more big name fights.

I'm not getting into the realms of who is ducking who I'm just saying I don't give a fuck who gets what as long as the fight is made, I blame social media and sporting stars access it.

Do it in private and announce it when it is done.

Yes, quite. And that’s exactly what AJ said. But then he goes and says “if they give me $50 mill and I’ll sign”
So , ultimately he has to live by that.
Of course, Wilder’s team have to back up their offer , so we shall see.

[Master]

And also , if Wilder’s team are putting it on, I have no problem with Wilder getting home advantage and I don’t even care if he gets 50%!
Hell, if his team can afford to pay Joshua a figure he’s happy with, Wilder can even get 60% for all I care.
Let’s wait and see what materialises.

Eddie would be upset if Wilder gets that much.

If Wilder’s team are stumping up the cash to put the show on , then it is absolutely fuck all to do with Eddie what Wilder gets.
No different to if it was the other way round. His man gave a figure and Wilder reckons they can come up with that, and that’s all they need to know.
Have to say , I’ll believe it when I see it.

If the fight is worth $150 million then I am sure Eddie would want more.

[Batman]

There is a reason why elite boxers have so many people around them, AJ says give me 50 mill and I'll take the fight here and now, all of a sudden the legal eagles are on it saying ' percentage of this, percentage of that, merchandise of this, ticket sales of that, rematch for this, dodgy decision for that, but what about this, what happens if he pulls out, what happens if you pull out, neither of you will get pregnant but pulling out doesn't stop the risk of AIDS, and not good AIDS, you wanna make sure that you have yourself covered just in case you slip getting out of the shower yada yada yada, AJ will probably never see that $50 mill contract until it has got past the mathematicians above him.

yeah I've had a drink, but I still say I don't give a shit what either of the cunts get until it is signed, as long as the fight happens I'llm be happy

[Ron Swanson]

All they have to do is agree in principle, and Al will move the money. Nobody moves 50 million for nothing. (What Eddie is asking them to do) Just agree in principle(bonds you in no way)and then make an attempt to hammer out the details.

Eddie will say "they won't meet with me" but Finkell is quite clear they have the money, they will show Eddie and secure if they simply agree in principle. And they will meet to sort it out. When Eddie stops distracting and says "we want it" there will be a fight.

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[Ron Swanson]

Can anyone here remember any time in boxing history a promoter asks to see the money secured before even beginning negotiations?

Ask yourself does he think Al doesn't have the money? Or is this more likely an absurd distraction?

[TitoFan]

[brocktonblockbust]

Can anyone here remember any time in boxing history a promoter asks to see the money secured before even beginning negotiations?

Ask yourself does he think Al doesn't have the money? Or is this more likely an absurd distraction?

no

[Beanz]

Can anyone here remember any time in boxing history a promoter asks to see the money secured before even beginning negotiations?

Ask yourself does he think Al doesn't have the money? Or is this more likely an absurd distraction?

You want to try unraveling that? It is quite likely an absurd distraction by Wilder. It would follow form. This is a guy who has taken the most meandering path he could to avoid meeting any real challenges. You are turning this on it's head in order to preserve the notion that Joshua and Hearn who have invited Wilder's team to meet face to face, to negotiate etc are the ones avoiding Wilder.

Can you remember a time in boxing history when serious offers and negotiations were carried out by suggesting 24hr deadlines without any mention of details? 24hr deadlines when planned meetings with the camp you want to fight were cancelled? Does that sound like the actions of someone eager to get a fight made?

DO you really think Hearn is going to blow a chance to make money and history for himself as a promoter by dodging a unification bout of this magnitude.

We will know in a few hours but it sure sounds like Wilder doesn't want it.

[Master]

Why does it have to be agreed within 24 hours? Is the money running away?

Strange.

[Ron Swanson]

Can anyone here remember any time in boxing history a promoter asks to see the money secured before even beginning negotiations?

Ask yourself does he think Al doesn't have the money? Or is this more likely an absurd distraction?

You want to try unraveling that? It is quite likely an absurd distraction by Wilder. It would follow form. This is a guy who has taken the most meandering path he could to avoid meeting any real challenges. You are turning this on it's head in order to preserve the notion that Joshua and Hearn who have invited Wilder's team to meet face to face, to negotiate etc are the ones avoiding Wilder.

Can you remember a time in boxing history when serious offers and negotiations were carried out by suggesting 24hr deadlines without any mention of details? 24hr deadlines when planned meetings with the camp you want to fight were cancelled? Does that sound like the actions of someone eager to get a fight made?

DO you really think Hearn is going to blow a chance to make money and history for himself as a promoter by dodging a unification bout of this magnitude.

We will know in a few hours but it sure sounds like Wilder doesn't want it.

Yes, he negotiated in bad faith last time after being caught blatantly lying. Why would they bother meeting someone who won't simply agree in principle to exactly what they aSked for?

Look at the history. Hearn said fight Whyte he and you can have AJ. Wilder said, okay put it in the contract. Then Hearn changed his story to be he doesn't connect his fighters. Lied, Wilder agreed to his demands, Hearn s changes his story

Here they said "give me 50 million and I'll agree tomorrow" again they change their story.

how many times do you negotiate in bad faith. They are quite clear, you want the meeting, agree to the fight. And you suggest the people that won't agree to the fight are in the right. You suggest the guys caught lying repeatedly are in the right. You suggest the guys thaT have been caught lying about their demands are right. It's laughable. Just agree in principle, it's boilerplate stuff. Then negotiate the terms. As boxing has done forever.I

You have a guy "a guy from Alabama..." As if he doesn't know where the money comes from, BS. And you're eating that nonsense up. He literally says he needs to know where the money comes from, BS, everyone knows where the money comes from.

It's simple, agree to the fight. Everything you've asked for and more has been offered, agree to fight. Then negotiate the terms, boxing 101

[Memphis]

All they have to do is agree in principle, and Al will move the money. Nobody moves 50 million for nothing. (What Eddie is asking them to do) Just agree in principle(bonds you in no way)and then make an attempt to hammer out the details.

Eddie will say "they won't meet with me" but Finkell is quite clear they have the money, they will show Eddie and secure if they simply agree in principle. And they will meet to sort it out. When Eddie stops distracting and says "we want it" there will be a fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-m...-claim--127564

I don't disagree with you as such, Eddie/AJ should just come out and say Yes, we asked for X amount, they have offered it, in principle we accept. But have they not already done that? Is it simply a language issue here or do you/they need to see or hear the exact words 'We accept in principle'? Given that Team Wilder's 'offer' wasn't exactly formal, aren't Eddie's (paraphrasing here) 'We're taking this very seriously, so long as it's legit and we need to see some more information' and Joshua's 'Let's roll' comments, tantamount to the same thing? Lets move forward?

I've heard Eddie plenty of times say they want to know if Wilder's team have got the dough. Not sure about Eddie asking them to move any money, where does that part come from?

[Ron Swanson]

All they have to do is agree in principle, and Al will move the money. Nobody moves 50 million for nothing. (What Eddie is asking them to do) Just agree in principle(bonds you in no way)and then make an attempt to hammer out the details.

Eddie will say "they won't meet with me" but Finkell is quite clear they have the money, they will show Eddie and secure if they simply agree in principle. And they will meet to sort it out. When Eddie stops distracting and says "we want it" there will be a fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-m...-claim--127564

I don't disagree with you as such, Eddie/AJ should just come out and say Yes, we asked for X amount, they have offered it, in principle we accept. But have they not already done that? Is it simply a language issue here or do you/they need to see or hear the exact words 'We accept in principle'? Given that Team Wilder's 'offer' wasn't exactly formal, aren't Eddie's (paraphrasing here) 'We're taking this very seriously, so long as it's legit and we need to see some more information' and Joshua's 'Let's roll' comments, tantamount to the same thing? Lets move forward?

I've heard Eddie plenty of times say they want to know if Wilder's team have got the dough. Not sure about Eddie asking them to move any money, where does that part come from?

He says he needs to see the money secured. Harmon shows a bank aCcount with 300 million it means nothing. To be secured it must be separate and protected, that means moving money. At no point in all of Eddie's talking has he said "If it is legit we'll agree" he always says "interested" and "we'll explore that". Perhaps there is a language difference because here "we'll explore that" and "we'll agree to that" are very very different. Not even the same ballpark.