The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Beanz]

So now Wilder is going to give Eddie Hearn lessons on promoting?

[Beanz]

I have already posted the link where Eddy has said that he wrote back saying they were interested in the offer, send a contract etc. Where is their response? Sounds like they are just messing about.

[Beanz]

So Wilders team pull out of the Thursday meeting saying no point we made a new offer and then when Eddie says OK let's meet Friday bring the contract and details and we will sort it out, Wilders team refuse.


They don't want it. They never wanted it. They have already set up the fight with Breazeale according to the WBC

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-we...e-meet--127612

[Ron Swanson]

So now Wilder is going to give Eddie Hearn lessons on promoting?

Seems you have learned from Eddie how to use the wrong name to belittle. You'll make a nice puppet. Read the article and you'll see Eddie saying Wilders team needs to show him how the fight will generate so much money. So yes, he wants Wilders team to teach him the business

[Beanz]

So now Wilder is going to give Eddie Hearn lessons on promoting?

Seems you have learned from Eddie how to use the wrong name to belittle. You'll make a nice puppet. Read the article and you'll see Eddie saying Wilders team needs to show him how the fight will generate so much money. So yes, he wants Wilders team to teach him the business

I was simply quoting you suggesting the fact that Wilder may have more personal Wealth than Hearn being relevant. It's not. Wilders team have said what exactly? Show me Haymon offering anything? Wilder offered it. Joshua accepted, Hearn accepted and asked for a meeting or at least a contract or some details to look at and two days running Wilders team cancelled their meeting. What are they going to teach Eddy? At the moment I don't work for matchroom but I have worked for a number of UK Promoters so I would be interested to know exactly what Al is going to teach Eddy and Matchroom. Nobody is doubting the expertise, money and influence of Haymon but what exactly is he going to teach Eddy? Are Instagram , Social Media and E-Mails now going to replace face to face meetings?

Even Floyd concedes that Joshua- Wilder makes sense in the UK. It just seems that a lot of American fight fans and Wilder refuse to swallow that bitter pill.

[Ron Swanson]

So now Wilder is going to give Eddie Hearn lessons on promoting?

Seems you have learned from Eddie how to use the wrong name to belittle. You'll make a nice puppet. Read the article and you'll see Eddie saying Wilders team needs to show him how the fight will generate so much money. So yes, he wants Wilders team to teach him the business

I was simply quoting you suggesting the fact that Wilder may have more personal Wealth than Hearn being relevant. It's not. Wilders team have said what exactly? Show me Haymon offering anything? Wilder offered it. Joshua accepted, Hearn accepted and asked for a meeting or at least a contract or some details to look at and two days running Wilders team cancelled their meeting. What are they going to teach Eddy? At the moment I don't work for matchroom but I have worked for a number of UK Promoters so I would be interested to know exactly what Al is going to teach Eddy and Matchroom. Nobody is doubting the expertise, money and influence of Haymon but what exactly is he going to teach Eddy? Are Instagram , Social Media and E-Mails now going to replace face to face meetings?

Even Floyd concedes that Joshua- Wilder makes sense in the UK. It just seems that a lot of American fight fans and Wilder refuse to swallow that bitter pill.

Of course it's not relevant, that's my point. Eddie brought it into the conversation with his "some guy from Alabama" " some guy from Alabame"

Haymon agreed to show him the money. That shows his involvement, it's not just Wilder.

Finkell agreed the deal is real, Rubella agreed the deal is real. It's not just "some guy from Alabama"

What are they going to teach him, that's quote clear in many articles. Eddie wants them to show all revenue streams.

As for Eddie agreed, he has not. He has said he needs all these things before he will even agree to just the money "we can't even begin to make a decision" (from yesterday despite Primo's accusations that I keep repeating old things)

[Beanz]

In early April Finkel said

‘We are prepared to meet as soon as possible, anywhere, anytime, and when I meet Matchroom [Joshua’s promoters] I will have the authority to make the deal. It’s for the better for everybody, and the sport. Unless someone has another agenda. We are ready. Let’s make the fight.’

So why did he not turn up?

Where is Haymon agreeing to show Hearn the money? A cellphone shot on Instagram. I can't see anything anywhere from Haymon.


So Hearn replies to Wiler's e-mail

"we are very interested in making this fight, please send us a draft contract"

and the reply from Wilder's team ?


"you have to accept the fight and then we will send you the contract"


It's not misdirection to ask for a draft contract at all. It's perfectly normal.

[Ron Swanson]

In early April Finkel said

‘We are prepared to meet as soon as possible, anywhere, anytime, and when I meet Matchroom [Joshua’s promoters] I will have the authority to make the deal. It’s for the better for everybody, and the sport. Unless someone has another agenda. We are ready. Let’s make the fight.’

So why did he not turn up?

Where is Haymon agreeing to show Hearn the money? A cellphone shot on Instagram. I can't see anything anywhere from Haymon.


So Hearn replies to Wiler's e-mail

"we are very interested in making this fight, please send us a draft contract"

and the reply from Wilder's team ?


"you have to accept the fight and then we will send you the contract"


It's not misdirection to ask for a draft contract at all. It's perfectly normal.

I agree with you here. Except they've already dealt with Eddie “negotiating” in bad faith. So because they’ve dealt with Eddie negotiating in bad faith already they want one concession, to agree to the money. The money they asked for. (Perhaps you recall Eddie saying Wilder’s camp never contacts them so Finkell called into the radio show he was on and called BS, and Eddie never said they didn’t try to contact him again because it was BS. Then they “negotiated” for one day. And went on to make the Parker fight as everyone knew would happen. That’s negotiating in bad faith)

Notice you don’t see Eddie saying “we need to see the money” anymore. That is because Haymon agreed to show him the money. Now instead he says he needs to see how they intend to generate money from the fight. He would see that in negotiations. If he doesn’t like where the money comes from he can say so then. He’s invented a problem before a problem existed.

All he has to agree to is the money they asked for. To demonstrate genuine interest. Of course they want proof of interest since he’s already burned them wasting their time.

Deontay’s entire team is in New York ready to meet, including Wilder. Hearn is in New York. Just agree to the money and get it started. Remember they said they “would agree tomorrow” if offered 50 million. We’re on day 3 and still they haven’t agreed to simply the money.

Eddie says he wants to meet. To meet all he has to do is agree to the money they asked for. He won’t do that. Yet people believe he wants to meet. It’s maddening.

Let’s look at it a different way. A simple agreement to the money for the fight is not binding. Why not agree to it to call their bluff? If they said no to the meeting still we have answers, all the answers. Who then is keeping us from having all the answers? And who keeps raising more questions?

[Beanz]

If Deontay's team are all in New York waiting to meet, than why don't they meet Hearn and then tell everybody that he refused their offer, even after meeting them? What have they possibly got to lose by meeting? By refusing to discuss things face to face, or even offer a draft contract or outline, Wilder's team are making themselves look unprofessional, and losing any upper hand they may have believed they had.

Hearn and Joshua are hrdly wasting anyone's time by suggesting that they meet and hammer out a contract. Hearn and Matchroom are not some inexperienced new kids on the block fudging their way thru. They have a proven track record of putting together fights and shows on an international scale, but It seems that Wilders team are just being churlish and want to be seen to have the upper hand, because they know they really are not the A side here. Haymon may be, but he is simply the advisor, whereas Wilder thinks that he is something he is not. He is not the draw he thinks he is, and it irks. That is why he would not come to the UK for Joshua's last fight, and why he does not want to come and fight away from home.

We are used to it here in the UK. Everyone expects us to travel, and even when our fighters do, they still expect people to pay for PPV at a time in the morning most American boxing fans would never accept.