Groves rumored to be replaced by Eubank Jr. in WBSS finals

[nuggetdotcom]

I've got a lot of time for Saurland, having been to his shows in Germany, he is a quality promoter, compared to ours. I think he may have bitten off a bit more than he can chew with this 'knockout' format WBSS. As adventurous as it is it is capable of being bedevilled by injuries, thus disrupting the promotional schedule , and leaving the promoter open to criticism, or even accusations of favouritism over his choice of subs. If he has no subs it buggers his WBSS system if there are injuries and the whole WBSS thing takes 3 bloody years and everybodys lost interest. Overall I think it was a good effort to rejuvenate boxing interest, but in danger of going tits up now. All credit to Kalle for trying something new, but bad luck with the injuries. Oh, I forgot to mention that if EU Jr was re-instated I would throw a shit fit.

[Fenster]

Sauerland is the front man for the tournament it's not his dough or sole promotion.

As a standalone fight Eubank-Smith is excellent. Smith hasn't proved himself at top level, hasn't fought anyone close to a Groves or Saunders, in fact he's never faced anyone that can be regarded top 10-15-20 in the independent supermiddle rankings. Jr is a big step up for him. Great matchup.

[Primo Carnera]

Sauerland is the front man for the tournament it's not his dough or sole promotion.

As a standalone fight Eubank-Smith is excellent. Smith hasn't proved himself at top level, hasn't fought anyone close to a Groves or Saunders, in fact he's never faced anyone that can be regarded top 10-15-20 in the independent supermiddle rankings. Jr is a big step up for him. Great matchup.

I'm sorry, but how the fuck is Jr. "a big step up" for Callum Smith? It's no good quoting Groves and Saunders's names when the both completely OUTCLASSED him. so he fought them , Big fucking deal! Chisora has fought loads of the top guys , but he's never fucking beat one has he?

Smith's victory over Rebrasse at the time was after he gave Groves a very tough fight (much tougher than Jr. did.) and Smith BEAT him. he didn't just fight him.
At the time , Smith's Victory over Skjelocka was also better than anything or anybody that Eubank has ever beat.
The lesser Chudinov comes closest (at MW) and the geriatric version of Abraham was meaningless.
furthermore, Smith is a SMW , and a big one at that. Eubank doesn't carry any size or power advantages up to SMW. I know Smith has traded water for the last year or so, but he hasn't been EXPOSED.
my god, some people have such short fucking memories.

[Fenster]

The very fact you've named Rebrasse as Smith's best opponent proves my point.

1. Groves beat him 12-0. The only reason it was considered a tough fight is because a) it was considered a mismatch beforehand and b) Rebrasse is granite, which nobody knew, including himself, until after the fight.

2. Rocky Fielding and Hadillah Mohoumadi, two 1st round Smith sparko victims, have victories over Rebrasse, so how you rate him top is beyond me. The man is hard-as-nails but low-level European class at best. Skjelocka (come on mate, talk about push the boat out) the same. So, either way, Smith has never faced anyone considered independent top drawer world-level. Fact.

3. However much you downplay Eubank Jr it doesn't change the fact he's proven at a higher level than Smith. Old Abraham, Spike, even Blackwell and Yildrim and Quinlan all have mixed it in and around world-class, they have wins over Geale and Periban and Ryder, they are/were all independently ranked higher than Rebrasse or Skjelocka. I don't even need Groves or Saunders to show Jr has fought at a higher level to Smith.

Now lets be honest, you despise Eubank Jr so will downplay anything I say about him, you're already probably typing about how shit Yildrim and Blackwell are and what not. But all that shit is irrelevant, compared to Smith's previous competition Jr is a step up in class.

Not sure what "short memory" means? I've never said Jr was tom-tit or claimed his loss to Groves was the end of his career. In fact the opposite. I believe Jr has proven that if matched with an elite level fighter whose style suits, he has a great chance of winning, therefore is a possible "world" champion at least.

[Primo Carnera]

The very fact you've named Rebrasse as Smith's best opponent proves my point.

1. Groves beat him 12-0. The only reason it was considered a tough fight is because a) it was considered a mismatch beforehand and b) Rebrasse is granite, which nobody knew, including himself, until after the fight.

2. Rocky Fielding and Hadillah Mohoumadi, two 1st round Smith sparko victims, have victories over Rebrasse, so how you rate him top is beyond me. The man is hard-as-nails but low-level European class at best. Skjelocka (come on mate, talk about push the boat out) the same. So, either way, Smith has never faced anyone considered independent top drawer world-level. Fact.

3. However much you downplay Eubank Jr it doesn't change the fact he's proven at a higher level than Smith. Old Abraham, Spike, even Blackwell and Yildrim and Quinlan all have mixed it in and around world-class, they have wins over Geale and Periban and Ryder, they are/were all independently ranked higher than Rebrasse or Skjelocka. I don't even need Groves or Saunders to show Jr has fought at a higher level to Smith.

Now lets be honest, you despise Eubank Jr so will downplay anything I say about him, you're already probably typing about how shit Yildrim and Blackwell are and what not. But all that shit is irrelevant, compared to Smith's previous competition Jr is a step up in class.

Not sure what "short memory" means? I've never said Jr was tom-tit or claimed his loss to Groves was the end of his career. In fact the opposite. I believe Jr has proven that if matched with an elite level fighter whose style suits, he has a great chance of winning, therefore is a possible "world" champion at least.

The very fact you've named Rebrasse as Smith's best opponent proves my point.

1. Groves beat him 12-0. The only reason it was considered a tough fight is because a) it was considered a mismatch beforehand and b) Rebrasse is granite, which nobody knew, including himself, until after the fight.
Scores wise, Groves beat Rebrasse as easy as he did Eubank, but Rebrasse was way more competitive than Eubank was and gave Groves a lot more trouble than Eubank did. you can either go by what you actually see or you can make stats read what you want them to read. up to you, but I know what I prefer.

2. Rocky Fielding and Hadillah Mohoumadi, two 1st round Smith sparko victims, have victories over Rebrasse,
All about timing really. the Rebrasse that Fielding beat had already had a lot taken out of him by Groves. Also , I happen to think that Fielding would probably beat Eubank at SMW.

so how you rate him top is beyond me. The man is hard-as-nails but low-level European class at best. Skjelocka (come on mate, talk about push the boat out) the same.
Again, at the time, better than anyone Eubank has actually beat.
So, either way, Smith has never faced anyone considered independent top drawer world-level. Fact.
And the only times Eubank has , he's been embarrassed. FACT.

3. However much you downplay Eubank Jr it doesn't change the fact he's proven at a higher level than Smith. Old Abraham, Spike, even Blackwell (fuck me, now who's pushing the boat out?)
and Yildrim and Quinlan all have mixed it in and around world-class,
Really?
they have wins over Geale
(finished chasing paydays at higher weights.)
and Periban
(6 years too late)
and Ryder,
Who I also think beats Eubank.
they are/were all independently ranked higher than Rebrasse or Skjelocka. I don't even need Groves or Saunders to show Jr has fought at a higher level to Smith.

Now lets be honest, you despise Eubank Jr
Very true, undeniable
so will downplay anything I say about him, you're already probably typing about how shit Yildrim and Blackwell are and what not.
so if you know that , why put them in?
But all that shit is irrelevant, compared to Smith's previous competition Jr is a step up in class.

Not sure what "short memory" means? I've never said Jr was tom-tit or claimed his loss to Groves was the end of his career. In fact the opposite. I believe Jr has proven that if matched with an "elite level fighter whose style suits",
by that you clearly mean someone who stands there and lets him get his punches off and doesn't have a lot of ringcraft. The only flaw in your belief is that not many get to "elite level" without those qualities. Cue AA! yes , only the Abraham Eubank beat was not the Abraham that got anywhere near to "Elite level." not dissimilar to the Haye that Bellew beat being a shadow of the Haye that got to elite level for example.
he has a great chance of winning, therefore is a possible "world" champion at least.
Well because people have orgasms just at the thought of his name, unfortunately he is going to get more opportunities than he rightfully earns or deserves. But hey, he's been IBO champion of the World hasn't he?

[nuggetdotcom]

The very fact you've named Rebrasse as Smith's best opponent proves my point.

1. Groves beat him 12-0. The only reason it was considered a tough fight is because a) it was considered a mismatch beforehand and b) Rebrasse is granite, which nobody knew, including himself, until after the fight.

2. Rocky Fielding and Hadillah Mohoumadi, two 1st round Smith sparko victims, have victories over Rebrasse, so how you rate him top is beyond me. The man is hard-as-nails but low-level European class at best. Skjelocka (come on mate, talk about push the boat out) the same. So, either way, Smith has never faced anyone considered independent top drawer world-level. Fact.

3. However much you downplay Eubank Jr it doesn't change the fact he's proven at a higher level than Smith. Old Abraham, Spike, even Blackwell and Yildrim and Quinlan all have mixed it in and around world-class, they have wins over Geale and Periban and Ryder, they are/were all independently ranked higher than Rebrasse or Skjelocka. I don't even need Groves or Saunders to show Jr has fought at a higher level to Smith.

Now lets be honest, you despise Eubank Jr so will downplay anything I say about him, you're already probably typing about how shit Yildrim and Blackwell are and what not. But all that shit is irrelevant, compared to Smith's previous competition Jr is a step up in class.

Not sure what "short memory" means? I've never said Jr was tom-tit or claimed his loss to Groves was the end of his career. In fact the opposite. I believe Jr has proven that if matched with an elite level fighter whose style suits, he has a great chance of winning, therefore is a possible "world" champion at least.

The very fact you've named Rebrasse as Smith's best opponent proves my point.

1. Groves beat him 12-0. The only reason it was considered a tough fight is because a) it was considered a mismatch beforehand and b) Rebrasse is granite, which nobody knew, including himself, until after the fight.
Scores wise, Groves beat Rebrasse as easy as he did Eubank, but Rebrasse was way more competitive than Eubank was and gave Groves a lot more trouble than Eubank did. you can either go by what you actually see or you can make stats read what you want them to read. up to you, but I know what I prefer.

2. Rocky Fielding and Hadillah Mohoumadi, two 1st round Smith sparko victims, have victories over Rebrasse,
All about timing really. the Rebrasse that Fielding beat had already had a lot taken out of him by Groves. Also , I happen to think that Fielding would probably beat Eubank at SMW.

so how you rate him top is beyond me. The man is hard-as-nails but low-level European class at best. Skjelocka (come on mate, talk about push the boat out) the same.
Again, at the time, better than anyone Eubank has actually beat.
So, either way, Smith has never faced anyone considered independent top drawer world-level. Fact.
And the only times Eubank has , he's been embarrassed. FACT.

3. However much you downplay Eubank Jr it doesn't change the fact he's proven at a higher level than Smith. Old Abraham, Spike, even Blackwell (fuck me, now who's pushing the boat out?)
and Yildrim and Quinlan all have mixed it in and around world-class,
Really?
they have wins over Geale
(finished chasing paydays at higher weights.)
and Periban
(6 years too late)
and Ryder,
Who I also think beats Eubank.
they are/were all independently ranked higher than Rebrasse or Skjelocka. I don't even need Groves or Saunders to show Jr has fought at a higher level to Smith.

Now lets be honest, you despise Eubank Jr
Very true, undeniable
so will downplay anything I say about him, you're already probably typing about how shit Yildrim and Blackwell are and what not.
so if you know that , why put them in?
But all that shit is irrelevant, compared to Smith's previous competition Jr is a step up in class.

Not sure what "short memory" means? I've never said Jr was tom-tit or claimed his loss to Groves was the end of his career. In fact the opposite. I believe Jr has proven that if matched with an "elite level fighter whose style suits",
by that you clearly mean someone who stands there and lets him get his punches off and doesn't have a lot of ringcraft. The only flaw in your belief is that not many get to "elite level" without those qualities. Cue AA! yes , only the Abraham Eubank beat was not the Abraham that got anywhere near to "Elite level." not dissimilar to the Haye that Bellew beat being a shadow of the Haye that got to elite level for example.
he has a great chance of winning, therefore is a possible "world" champion at least.
Well because people have orgasms just at the thought of his name, unfortunately he is going to get more opportunities than he rightfully earns or deserves. But hey, he's been IBO champion of the World hasn't he?

Great debate/argument, still sceptical about the hipsters favourite throwing the first six rounds away every time he meets a real boxer.

[Fenster]

There is no debate, it's just two opinions, one fella (primo) thinks Eubank isn't worthy of sharing the ring with Callum Smith, the other fella (Fenster) thinks it's a 50-50-ish matchup.

@primo - You just repeated everything you originally said (which I predicted)

Rebrasse gave Groves more barney than Jr? Fine. Fielding and Skjelocka better than anyone Eubank beat? Fine. Fielding would beat Eubank (love to see you put your mortgage on that)? Fine.

Oh this was new, Ryder beats Jr (actually that's a decent comeback fight for Jr, most people didn't see Blackwell smash Ryder to bits, as it was tucked away on one of those big PPV events).

Why did I bring up Eubank's victims? Because YOU said I wasn't allowed to mention Saunders or Groves!!! ()

Look mate, I don't give a monkies about what fighters "deserve," i'm just interested in great matchups. Obviously you think Jr is useless whereas I don't. There's nowhere else to go with this.