The Art of Nonsense, Pathology or Con-Artistry?

[Gandalf]

Also, would I guess that Molyneux has the potential to spin and twist? Well, isn't that what every outlet is doing these days? He has his agenda. It is one reason why trust in the media is at record lows. Journalists today seem to lack integrity and they will write anything to keep their jobs and pay off the mortgage. On the whole you have to consider the merits and limitations of anyone you listen to. In saying that though, I do like Molyneux some of what Molyneux says and he doesn't advertise pills like CNN to make his revenue so that is cool. He lives and dies by his content and people choosing to support it.

Do you actively search for videos to try and validate your own cynicism, Beanz? You posting a video to make a point and then adding no commentary is no different to the kind of thing Brock was getting warned about with the Mark Dice videos. you should say something. Everyone to you is a snake oil salesman or a shill, but it is very easy to say that. You can take something anyone says and crucify them, but it isn't a full reflection of who they are.

[Beanz]

Miles it is a brilliant response to the kind of shallow narcissistic rubbish that passes for insight nowadays. Like Peterson he is the Emperor with no clothes, only in this case with added pathological bitterness. He is still shaming people into paying him because he can't get a real job. Like him you have become incredibly lazy intellectually when it comes to posting here. Why bring up CNN? You know I don't watch it but it makes your non argument seem worthy. No mention of Infowars and their utterly con job supplements because you have no consistency. Comparing it to Brockton spamming when again it is a false analogy. I didn't comment last night because it was 1:30 am and I had just finished working before going to bed. Not because I am spamming the forum with screaming hate fuelled click bait.

[Gandalf]

I guess this was on your mind at 1:30am?

Who is he shaming into paying him? Don't all media and information outlets need revenue to produce their work? It certainly beats having BBC world tell us we have to fly with Emirates. Or have CNN tell us to pop pills. This is where I find it strange how bitter you are about Infowars. I don't see you haranguing the 'mainstream' outlets for their agendas or how they make their money. Alex Jones sells vitamins for crying out loud. Vitamins! Molyneux relies on donations. Donations!

I am not being intellectually lazy as I am not trying to be intellectual. These are simple observations. You have posted a number of threads without comment lately and fair enough if you want to do that, but don't pretend it isn't Brock esque to post videos with very little comment. Maybe Brock posts his videos at 1:30am. I have no idea!

You can accuse Molyneux and Peterson of being naked all you like, but I don't think you have even read An Antidote to Chaos. Asides from not liking post modernism, I really haven't worked out your objection to Peterson. And Molyneux has clearly worked and done very well for himself whence being able to take the time and develop his hobby horse. To sustain it he needs to be paid and I think most of us expect to be paid when we do some work or provide some kind of service.

[Beanz]

I guess this was on your mind at 1:30am?

Who is he shaming into paying him? Don't all media and information outlets need revenue to produce their work? It certainly beats having BBC world tell us we have to fly with Emirates. Or have CNN tell us to pop pills. This is where I find it strange how bitter you are about Infowars. I don't see you haranguing the 'mainstream' outlets for their agendas or how they make their money. Alex Jones sells vitamins for crying out loud. Vitamins! Molyneux relies on donations. Donations!

I am not being intellectually lazy as I am not trying to be intellectual. These are simple observations. You have posted a number of threads without comment lately and fair enough if you want to do that, but don't pretend it isn't Brock esque to post videos with very little comment. Maybe Brock posts his videos at 1:30am. I have no idea!

You can accuse Molyneux and Peterson of being naked all you like, but I don't think you have even read An Antidote to Chaos. Asides from not liking post modernism, I really haven't worked out your objection to Peterson. And Molyneux has clearly worked and done very well for himself whence being able to take the time and develop his hobby horse. To sustain it he needs to be paid and I think most of us expect to be paid when we do some work or provide some kind of service.

[Gandalf]

I really do not see the problem. He is not forcing anybody to do anything. I mean, you could download an album for free, but you as someone who respects artists would like the band to be paid, right? If you don't want to listen to Molyneux you can just change the channel and if you don't like what he says you don't have to pay anything. What am I missing here? I am not sure I get it.

[Beanz]

I really do not see the problem. He is not forcing anybody to do anything. I mean, you could download an album for free, but you as someone who respects artists would like the band to be paid, right? If you don't want to listen to Molyneux you can just change the channel and if you don't like what he says you don't have to pay anything. What am I missing here? I am not sure I get it.

He is a cult leader. Trust me I know what they look like and how they work. I am in many ways at heart a punk so no I am not going to pretend that the old school model of bands being paid is in any way useful or comparable to Molyneux and his guff in any way. He is advocating people isolating themselves from their biological family in order to control them but the main point is that is a massive fake and yet he is being held up as an expert in things he has no clue about. It corrupts debate. It's not science or ethics or philosophy it's guff.

[goti71]

Molyneux really is a bit of a charlatan. I remember him on a show (Dave Rubin) claiming something like "White kids adopted by poor black families tend to display a high IQ, while black kids adopted into white middle-class families still score low on IQ tests".

Ok. One possibility is that there was actually a study made on hundreds of kids that produced these startling results —don't ask me how or why or where all this kid-switching happened on a national level (USA? Canada? Kazakhstan? French Riviera?).

And a second possibility is that he pulled it out of his arse.

A Charlatan and a sociopath. Sam Harris once mentioned he would notice a special gleam in Molyneux' eye whenever he got talking about all these racial issues.