What constitutes handspeed in your opinion?

[Taeth]

Yep, Shoe shinning dosent mean you have grea hand speed.

But he was quick though.

I disagree with Tyson not having fast hands though... His Right Hook to Body/ Right Uppercut Combo was full blown agression and speed. Especially for such a muscular dude.

Ali had quick hands no fooking doubt.

I didn't say Tyson didn't have fast hands, what I said was that he didn't have throw every punch with evil intent he could just throw his punches without following through each one and still hurt the opponent whereas Mayweather has to really enforce each punch.