Mikey Garcia is a boss

[ruthless rocco]

Spence will wreck Garcia.

[Spicoli]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

[powerpuncher]

Again, my main problem is wasted time. Unlike 70 years ago, top fighters only fight at most 3 times a year. Many times only 2. If Mikey would fight 6 times and one of them was Spence, I would have zero problem with it. He would still have other good fights and the Spence fight wouldn’t interfere with his career.

I just feel that he loses to Spence then has to take a tune up back down to 140 and get his career back on track. I believe it will waste at least a year in his career especially since he already lost a few not too long ago.

[Alpha]

That 8/9 fight stretch for Mikey is looking pretty decent. Starting with Salido to win a 126 title, 2 fights later Roman Martinez to win a 130 title, 3 fights later Zlaticanin for a 135 title, 2 fights later Lipnets for a 140 title, then next fight a lightweight unification.

[Spicoli]

That 8/9 fight stretch for Mikey is looking pretty decent. Starting with Salido to win a 126 title, 2 fights later Roman Martinez to win a 130 title, 3 fights later Zlaticanin for a 135 title, 2 fights later Lipnets for a 140 title, then next fight a lightweight unification.

An impressive run no doubt. Even more so considering he topped Salido prior to him getting the W over Loma. You cannot fault a guy for winning and Mikey does it in top notch fashion. But as said many guys being called 'future greats' collect trinkets and then can just bounce a division. We see it often. I don't put a lot of stock in Zlaticanin at 135 and while Lipinets is talented that was again a trinket grab vs a guy he was favored to beat. Again all the power to him but imo true legacy isn't measured by a belt count.

[Master]

Mikey Garcia is punch perfect.

[Alpha]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

What I want is to see some desire from both Loma and Mikey regarding one of the better match ups of this era..in a proper weight class

Both Loma and Linares did it for their bout and forced the promoters to get the fight done. I hope the same can happen here.

That 8/9 fight stretch for Mikey is looking pretty decent. Starting with Salido to win a 126 title, 2 fights later Roman Martinez to win a 130 title, 3 fights later Zlaticanin for a 135 title, 2 fights later Lipnets for a 140 title, then next fight a lightweight unification.

An impressive run no doubt. Even more so considering he topped Salido prior to him getting the W over Loma. You cannot fault a guy for winning and Mikey does it in top notch fashion. But as said many guys being called 'future greats' collect trinkets and then can just bounce a division. We see it often. I don't put a lot of stock in Zlaticanin at 135 and while Lipinets is talented that was again a trinket grab vs a guy he was favored to beat. Again all the power to him but imo true legacy isn't measured by a belt count.

I don't put much value in belts either, Zlaticanin and Easter were both undefeated rated fighters. Salido, Martinez, and possibly Broner, Lipinets were all considered top 10 guys at the time Garcia fought them.

[Ron Swanson]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

[Primo Carnera]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

You're right in what you say, but this is nothing new . I admire Garcia standing his ground, and I really like him as a Boxer and his attitude. But more often than not , there comes a time , like @Spicoli said that you have to make a deal you would rather not . Even Floyd had to take a high finance risk by buying himself out of a contract , and it worked for him , but not everybody is Floyd.
what I Don't agree with is that @Spicoli said he wouldn't pay a Dollar for it. I would definitely pay for it.

[Spicoli]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

You're right in what you say, but this is nothing new . I admire Garcia standing his ground, and I really like him as a Boxer and his attitude. But more often than not , there comes a time , like @Spicoli said that you have to make a deal you would rather not . Even Floyd had to take a high finance risk by buying himself out of a contract , and it worked for him , but not everybody is Floyd.
what I Don't agree with is that @Spicoli said he wouldn't pay a Dollar for it. I would definitely pay for it.

Honestly bud and speaking for no one but myself it feels a bit like Showtime and the proposed scenario are taking fans for granted. Just because a 'big name' match is easily made doesn't mean it should be. Not to mention an out of division mega fight made for the sake of making one. You want to enter a huge PPV match up thinking it will be even and competitive..not hoping it will be. Love Spence, love Mikey but keeping my loot should this come off.

[Spicoli]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

No fighter should be swindled into a long term binding deal for the sake of one weekend, we learned that from King. Mikey says completely willing, Arum has said he'll make an offer, and around and around we go. What I want is to see some desire from both Loma and Mikey regarding one of the better match ups of this era..in a proper weight class. Call out Arum and show some fire for a legitimate mega fight instead of the default 'whelp dad says no so forget it'. Fans get tired of that and I'm hard pressed to think of many top 'elites' who are given instant slack while their best match up falls by the wayside.

[Ron Swanson]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

No fighter should be swindled into a long term binding deal for the sake of one weekend, we learned that from King. Mikey says completely willing, Arum has said he'll make an offer, and around and around we go. What I want is to see some desire from both Loma and Mikey regarding one of the better match ups of this era..in a proper weight class. Call out Arum and show some fire for a legitimate mega fight instead of the default 'whelp dad says no so forget it'. Fans get tired of that and I'm hard pressed to think of many top 'elites' who are given instant slack while their best match up falls by the wayside.

Again, you put the onus on the wrong guy. Mikey said “you say you’ll make an offer, make an offer” and crickets. It’s on Loma to tell his guy who said “we absolutely will not negotiate with Garcia” that he needs to negotiate with Garcia. You keep blaming the side that is willing while not blaming the side that is not willing.

Mikey deserves blame when Arum says “we offered a one off fight at his current rate per fight” but you and I both know Arum will not offer either the money Mikey makes it a fight without strings. So place the blame where we both know it belongs.

[Spicoli]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

No fighter should be swindled into a long term binding deal for the sake of one weekend, we learned that from King. Mikey says completely willing, Arum has said he'll make an offer, and around and around we go. What I want is to see some desire from both Loma and Mikey regarding one of the better match ups of this era..in a proper weight class. Call out Arum and show some fire for a legitimate mega fight instead of the default 'whelp dad says no so forget it'. Fans get tired of that and I'm hard pressed to think of many top 'elites' who are given instant slack while their best match up falls by the wayside.

Again, you put the onus on the wrong guy. Mikey said “you say you’ll make an offer, make an offer” and crickets. It’s on Loma to tell his guy who said “we absolutely will not negotiate with Garcia” that he needs to negotiate with Garcia. You keep blaming the side that is willing while not blaming the side that is not willing.

Mikey deserves blame when Arum says “we offered a one off fight at his current rate per fight” but you and I both know Arum will not offer either the money Mikey makes it a fight without strings. So place the blame where we both know it belongs.

If Mikey wants legacy and to be recognized as the 'great' fans talk about the responsibility is just as much on him. Like I said, I want to see the desire and calling out for it from both Loma and Garcia. Garcia thinking he'll just bounce around minus mega fights because he wants to fly strictly no strings at all attached unfortunately might just see him go down as a 'what it' because its not realistic with mass majority of promoters. No ones saying anyone should sell their soul but if a defining match is imo winnable and puts you on that pedastool, you may have to dance with the devil. I think Mikey's short changing himself and assume a possible Spence event goes the way many suspect. Mikey has some moments but natural size youth skill and power see Spence put hurt on him for win...then what? I do not realistically see him yet again shedding down to 135 and hitting a restart button on greatness. That body and roller coaster is catching up to him it's clear as day. Arum cares less about greatness as we already know he's shat.

[Ron Swanson]

Mikey wants a mega fight and I totally get that. It's deserved and he's done nothing but win. But I think that's what a lot of the talk is about. Not to long ago what, he was talking about fighting Cotto. Didn't he balk at Golden boy too? I mean at some point in this boxing swamp you have to deal with people you may not be able to stomach. At least to a degree. Spence is simple convenience with same network, promotions and evidently an available date. But I wouldn't pay for it, not a dollar. What gets me is the Showtime announce team and Spence talk about a potential Mikey 'event' like it's a showcase side project as they sit there hyping Spence unification early next year with Garcia v Porter winner. Again same network etc.


I don't know about trinket collecting legitimizing a guy as one of an era. Many many guys have won multiple division belts. Crazy thing is Mikey wins them and until last Saturday he has walked away from them. Mikey is a fantastic talent and a genuinely straight forward guy but I look at 140 on that 5'6 frame and he's simply not bulking on 147+ and walking onto Spence like he did Easter and Lipinets. It'll end brutally for him.

Mikey is completely willing to deal with them. He just isn’t willing to sign extended promotion contracts beyond the fight he works with them. That is completely fair.

I’m not sure why Mikey should have to sell his career to get a fight. Frankly, it’s extortion by the promoters.

No fighter should be swindled into a long term binding deal for the sake of one weekend, we learned that from King. Mikey says completely willing, Arum has said he'll make an offer, and around and around we go. What I want is to see some desire from both Loma and Mikey regarding one of the better match ups of this era..in a proper weight class. Call out Arum and show some fire for a legitimate mega fight instead of the default 'whelp dad says no so forget it'. Fans get tired of that and I'm hard pressed to think of many top 'elites' who are given instant slack while their best match up falls by the wayside.

Again, you put the onus on the wrong guy. Mikey said “you say you’ll make an offer, make an offer” and crickets. It’s on Loma to tell his guy who said “we absolutely will not negotiate with Garcia” that he needs to negotiate with Garcia. You keep blaming the side that is willing while not blaming the side that is not willing.

Mikey deserves blame when Arum says “we offered a one off fight at his current rate per fight” but you and I both know Arum will not offer either the money Mikey makes it a fight without strings. So place the blame where we both know it belongs.

If Mikey wants legacy and to be recognized as the 'great' fans talk about the responsibility is just as much on him. Like I said, I want to see the desire and calling out for it from both Loma and Garcia. Garcia thinking he'll just bounce around minus mega fights because he wants to fly strictly no strings at all attached unfortunately might just see him go down as a 'what it' because its not realistic with mass majority of promoters. No ones saying anyone should sell their soul but if a defining match is imo winnable and puts you on that pedastool, you may have to dance with the devil. I think Mikey's short changing himself and assume a possible Spence event goes the way many suspect. Mikey has some moments but natural size youth skill and power see Spence put hurt on him for win...then what? I do not realistically see him yet again shedding down to 135 and hitting a restart button on greatness. That body and roller coaster is catching up to him it's clear as day. Arum cares less about greatness as we already know he's shat.

What really sucks is Mikey has been a champ in 4 divisions, how many has he fought the best guy? Maybe 1, maybe 2. And only maybes. Hard to know really.

Loma has been a champ in 3 and he hasn’t fought the best guy in any of them.

This is the problem with the weight hopping. So yes, Mikey deserves blame on that front. But we need to be honest about this fight in particular. Mikey isn’t stopping a Loma fight, Arum is. Mikey is even talking with other people at TR because Bob and his son in law won’t even speak with him. That nonsense needs to be discussed.