Is this one of the worst dives ever seen?

**Ron Swanson** · 08-07-2018 08:24 AM

What are people talking about “not get paid”, he did what he was paid to do. It might be shameful but we should look at who paid him to be shameful. People constantly put their outrage in the wrong place.

**smashup** · 08-07-2018 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

What are people talking about “not get paid”, he did what he was paid to do. It might be shameful but we should look at who paid him to be shameful. People constantly put their outrage in the wrong place.

Could be right there actually, none of know under what circumstances was the guy told to throw the fight.
He could have been threatened with his or his families life with a gun to his head for all we know.
If your gonna take a dive at least give us a few rounds and try and make it convincing rather than what this guy did.

**powerpuncher** · 08-07-2018 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

What are people talking about “not get paid”, he did what he was paid to do. It might be shameful but we should look at who paid him to be shameful. People constantly put their outrage in the wrong place.

He should have done a better job at taking a dive

**greynotsoold** · 08-07-2018 10:31 AM

In 98 percent of the fights made in boxing today, everybody knows who is supposed to win as soon as the match is made. You pick opponents that your fighter will not only defeat, but look good in doing so. That guy, while certainly not there to win, did not do what he was supposed to do. In fact he did the opposite because his actions made the showcase fighter look bad.

The chance that he did that because somebody threatened him in some way is slim to none. Why? The boxing world is full of guys that pad their records at home so it looks good because that enables them to get paid more when they travel to lose to a prospect.

**Fenster** · 08-07-2018 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

In 98 percent of the fights made in boxing today, everybody knows who is supposed to win as soon as the match is made. You pick opponents that your fighter will not only defeat, but look good in doing so. That guy, while certainly not there to win, did not do what he was supposed to do. In fact he did the opposite because his actions made the showcase fighter look bad.

The chance that he did that because somebody threatened him in some way is slim to none. Why? The boxing world is full of guys that pad their records at home so it looks good because that enables them to get paid more when they travel to lose to a prospect.

The fans today haven't got a clue what matchmaking is, everything is instant gratification. They have no clue that fighter was getting peanuts so took the least amount of punishment and no clue he also cost himself future work. They see a ring they think a million.

**Spicoli** · 08-07-2018 11:32 AM

Future in the NBA for that one. Another reason to take run up ko numbers with a grain of salt though it was inevitable. Can't help but see that the WBC stamped it with approval with some regional bs belt.

**TitoFan** · 08-07-2018 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

What are people talking about “not get paid”, he did what he was paid to do. It might be shameful but we should look at who paid him to be shameful. People constantly put their outrage in the wrong place.

We're fans. People who pay money to go see a fight that has been advertised and promoted to a certain extent. The ones in the ring are the ones performing up to (or down to) their supposedly best ability. So if Fighter X goes down from a swing and a miss, we have a perfect right to be upset. Sometimes I think some of us tend to over-analyze things.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

In 98 percent of the fights made in boxing today, everybody knows who is supposed to win as soon as the match is made. You pick opponents that your fighter will not only defeat, but look good in doing so. That guy, while certainly not there to win, did not do what he was supposed to do. In fact he did the opposite because his actions made the showcase fighter look bad.

The chance that he did that because somebody threatened him in some way is slim to none. Why? The boxing world is full of guys that pad their records at home so it looks good because that enables them to get paid more when they travel to lose to a prospect.

The fans today haven't got a clue what matchmaking is, everything is instant gratification. They have no clue that fighter was getting peanuts so took the least amount of punishment and no clue he also cost himself future work. They see a ring they think a million.

Again... we're so hard on ourselves. Yes, some fans might be like that, but many other fans pay good money expecting to see a competitive match, or at least an honest effort from both fighters. It's neither naive or unrealistic to expect a good effort from two professional athletes. If a basketball team turned its back on the other team while they dunked and scored at will..... I'm pretty sure there would be hell to pay.

**Fenster** · 08-08-2018 02:45 AM

Any fan who thinks they're paying for a competitive matchup between a hot prospect and professional loser/journeyman is an idiot. And if new to the sport will quickly learn how it works.

These fights happen every single week on every single show all over the world. Every single one of your heroes have records built exactly the same way, full of fighters paid to lose. It's not cheating or conning it's about self-preservation and doing a job. The promoter, prospect and pro-loser all benefit from padding records.

Boxing is the easiest sport in the world to fix (as proven by history). Anybody throwing a fight for serious financial gain would never make it so obvious, plus there's a money trail which can be easily traced in this day and age. And certain commissions (the good ones) all over the world suspend guys for non-efforts like this all the time, it doesn't go unnoticed. As Grey said, he just cost himself a few quid by wimping out before he earnt his dosh.

**TitoFan** · 08-08-2018 07:44 AM

Oh ok you got hung up on the word "competitive". Figures.

Let's just say then that fans expect the opponent to throw meaningful punches, and stay there for a legitimate conclusion.

Does that float your boat a little better?

Fan A: Knew going in that Kostya's son was going to win, but wanted to see just how dominant he'd look. Expected the other guy to at least put up a fight.

Fan B: Clueless about the fighters and thought it would be competitive.

Ok so I'll guess you're talking about Fan B being the idiot.

Still.... Fan A paid good money and has a right to be outraged. Or is he an idiot also?

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Kostya's opponent went down from a missed punch.

El Kabong · 08-07-2018 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

What are people talking about “not get paid”, he did what he was paid to do. It might be shameful but we should look at who paid him to be shameful. People constantly put their outrage in the wrong place.

He may have been a MASSIVE underdog and maybe he would have upset the promoters had he won, but you HAVE to try...