Boris Burka Row - To BAN or not to BAN? Islamophobia?

[Batman]

Hitchens warned us ages ago

Hitchens was such a loss to the world, I still often watch his videos on YouTube, I love his unwavering stance on religion even when he was dying, his debates were always so dignified as well, I remember when he was I the final stages of the cancer that was killing him and the bloke he was debating said "I promise you one thing Christopher...I won't prey for you" all in good humour

[walrus]

Hitchens warned us ages ago

Hitchens was such a loss to the world, I still often watch his videos on YouTube, I love his unwavering stance on religion even when he was dying, his debates were always so dignified as well, I remember when he was I the final stages of the cancer that was killing him and the bloke he was debating said "I promise you one thing Christopher...I won't prey for you" all in good humour

Hitchens was a cunt.

[Gandalf]

Hitchens warned us ages ago

Hitchens was such a loss to the world, I still often watch his videos on YouTube, I love his unwavering stance on religion even when he was dying, his debates were always so dignified as well, I remember when he was I the final stages of the cancer that was killing him and the bloke he was debating said "I promise you one thing Christopher...I won't prey for you" all in good humour

Hitchens was a cunt.

I like some of what Hitchens said, other stuff less keen. He was right about Islam and you see a case in point in this thread.

You are not allowed to offend a certain group of people regardless and it doesn't matter what they say or what they do, you are not permitted to do that. Thus the UK is becoming progressively more and more Islamised, but of course not only Islam, but many groups whose own countries deny reciprocal rights and freedoms to people in the countries their people are going to. Notice how it is Master who seems overtly concerned about the rights of Muslims. His concern is far less about the tradition and culture of Britain and that is understandable considering his household growing up was not a traditional British one, but that is what happens generation by generation. Master is a nice man, but he inevitably is drawn to defending other cultures rather than traditional British cultures. The same applies to Beanz who impersonates being English, but likewise has no British roots. To these two anyone defending traditional British culture or being against open borders etc is a racist, a bigot, and a threat to them and what they want to continue.

Hitchens lost me with his support for the Iraq war. Unlike me, who gets accused in this thread of following the alt right, which I of course do not, Hitchens did appear to support the neo-cons. I have never supported such groups. I will listen to Paul Joseph Watson, but at the same time read The Canary for instance. I am reading and listening all over the place, when I do bother paying attention that is as it really isn't a high priority of mine. In saying that people do adapt and change and anyone who doesn't is either dead or a die hard ideologue and neither of those is a healthy condition. I will say what I think is positive about Trump when I think it is positive and negative when it is negative. Those chaps will not do the same, it will only be negative and likewise you see this obsession with Russia which appears to be parroted from their daily propaganda.

So, for me Hitchens had his pros and cons like most people do really.

[Gandalf]

That might sound a little bit provocative, but ultimately I do think immigrants are who they are and will never be able to truly be anything other. I spend a lot of time studying language, but I will always always carry with me my British identity. It's in my accent, my mannerisms, it's in my music, my personality. I can apply for citizenship but I will still be who I am. Even if I was to have kids, they would largely be shaped by homelife rather than society. This is inevitable. I won't wear skinny jeans or have an asian hair style. I won't listen to K pop or watch silly dramas where the men wear lipstick and look like their girlfriend except with shorter hair. I bring myself and I think most immigrants do and though their kids speak the language better they have their own unique inputs different to true locals. I think you are seeing the consequences of that with segregation and social problems. The first generation immigrants are not an issue. They are grateful but struggled to integrate and do hang out with their own groups. It's the kids where the rebellion and alienation appears to spread.

I get it and think people can wear what they like but it is not British culture. I am less obvious as I don't wear a letter box, but likewise I don't dress like anyone else. Kids these days wear trousers half way up the leg with no socks and the boys have odd Beatle haircuts. I won't follow that. I will wear designers jeans that fit, wear a nice tailored shirt and only apply mascara if I have a pimple.

[brocktonblockbust]

Everything miles has just said is 100% true especially what he said about master. Master would never admit it in 1 million years tho. It is also largely true of the US and the UK as a whole.

When the Armenians came here they did not form Armenian neighborhoods and when the Italians came here they did not form Italian neighborhoods for more than maybe 15 or 20 years. You cannot find any more Armenian neighborhoods in this country except for a small community in Glendale California. The Armenians and the Italians have completely assimilated. They did not force their Customs or their ways on the American society. They did not ask for foods to be changed in school cafeterias. They did not ask for certain businesses to be moved away from their holy sites. They did not demand that the United States kiss their Armenian or Italian feet.

[Gandalf]

It does make sense. It's like with Americans thinking they are Irish or you thinking you are Italian or whatever, Brock. You see it with many groups that they actually relate to their original place of origin and many such countries give them 'special' access via privileged visa rights too. It is recognised on a personal and legal level. Personally I think dual nationality is a cop out in that respect. Choose one. Prove you are for real.

[Master]

Finally Miles has lost it. I knew it would happen. Brock was already there.

Your irrational fear of everything Islam and massive generalisation of immigrants is very telling.

[Beanz]

Everything miles has just said is 100% true especially what he said about master. Master would never admit it in 1 million years tho. It is also largely true of the US and the UK as a whole.

When the Armenians came here they did not form Armenian neighborhoods and when the Italians came here they did not form Italian neighborhoods for more than maybe 15 or 20 years. You cannot find any more Armenian neighborhoods in this country except for a small community in Glendale California. The Armenians and the Italians have completely assimilated. They did not force their Customs or their ways on the American society. They did not ask for foods to be changed in school cafeterias. They did not ask for certain businesses to be moved away from their holy sites. They did not demand that the United States kiss their Armenian or Italian feet.

None of it is true Brock because Miles is a liar. He always has been.

Masters favourite food is bloody pie and chips, he loves 5 star, and grew up watching Grange Hill like the rest of us. He doesn't live in an enclave. Unlike Miles the absolutely a selfish cunt Master word for a public service with white colleagues making Britain a better place and volunteers helping run a group for the community where I expect most of the single parents are white.

What does Miles do? Sit thousands of miles away condemning a British born man who pays his taxes and is a real asset with character attacks just because he is not white.

That makes Miles both a coward and a cunt not some brave speaker of truth. Miles gave up his right to define what England should be when he welched out and ran away.

[Gandalf]

Many do live in enclaves though Beanz and Master admits that English is not the language his mother uses. He was raised as someone from a different culture in a different culture. I am not saying that is always bad, but pointing out that it happens. I am saying it is understandable and in times of controlled inmigration quite acceptable. I understand why he thinks as he does, I get it. I know how immigrants think, what they do, how they live. They work, pay their taxes, but their soul is their country of origin. Master's Mum will likely consider herself Indian and so she should. She is. What is happening now with open borders is quite different though. It's just too much but you have issues accepting that.

You can launch your own angry personal attacks all you like as you have done for years. It's all you have. You take it very personally and you know that less and less people think like you. But that is of course due to the 'alt right and gangs of racists'. Nope, not at all. I am not deluded enough to think that I have forgotten how to be English and I have never met anyone who has forgotten what they are. The trouble is you have many that do think that way and they do want their own cultures and unfortunately those cultures are diluting British culture. That's what is at the heart of what Johnson is saying. It just is not British.

Liar? Is that your new buzzword?