Loma vs Pedraza, your thoughts?

[Alpha]

He did lose to Salido, but I guess Salido didn't make 126 and never fought there again so we can't count that. The Russell Jr fight was brilliant. Especially considering where Gary is considerded now.

Uchiyama was the man at 130 but had been beaten just prior to Loma moving to 130 by Corrales, you could argue Corrales should have been considered the man at 130, or Salido who should have got the nod over Martinez in the rematch and Vargas, both were ruled draws. Loma iced Martinez tho. Vargas got beaten by Berchelt and Corrales got beaten by Machado, Loma was still at 130 while these 2 were present.

Now we have Mikey at 135. Let's hope it happens.

Loma's record is fantastic tho.

[Fenster]

Linares was rated top 10 P4P by The Ring and without doubt had been top 1-2 at 135 for years. Loma stops him on his 135 debut but it's irrelevant as Mikey is 135 king.

Rigo P4P for years, the most dodged great in history. Loma stops him but it's irrelevant as Rigo was to small.

Walters was no.1 at featherweight, unbeaten (but for a robbery draw) and considered a fearsome punching huge featherweight. Loma stops him but it's irrelevant as it was at 130.

It's nothing but fans nitpicking Loma's record. If he faced the guys he apparently swerved the same fans would be arguing he ducked the names above.

I dare anyone to argue Crawford or Mikey's record is better? Yeah, Indongo and Horn and Postol? Gamboa is arguably Crawford's best win, who had life and death with Sosa, another Loma KO victim. Mikey has beat whom? Broner and Salido and Lopez and Martinez? More Loma victims.

This is nothing new of course, all great fighters get this treatment, I remember when Floyd was constantly ducking Shamba Mitchell among many other former forgotten fan favourites.

[Alpha]

I wasn't being sarcastic, I think Loma's record Is fantastic.

I was answering the question you asked about the best fighters in the divisions.

I think he should have fought Berchelt and Corrales before moving up from 130. Walters and Sosa and Rigondeaux were not the best in the division. There was also Salido who I pointed out should have had wins over Martinez and Vargas and held a win over Loma. Even Davis was around (although Floyd wouldn't let that happen).

I wouldn't have had Linares in the P4P although I think he was the #1 lightweight with Garcia being at 140. Now that Garcia is back they both need that fight.

Was Russell Jr #1 at 126 when they fought? I doubt it, he hadn't beat anyone.

Salido did beat him. Mikey defeated Salido and also holds a win over Martinez, anther guy on Loma's record. I personally think Mikey's record is on par, if not better.

Salido, Zlaticanin, Broner, Lipnets and Easter also undefeated.

Vs

Russell Jr, Walters, Sosa, Rigo, Linares.

Just my opinion.

[Alpha]

Just on your last part there Fenster about Floyd ducking Mitchell, I don't remember it that way. He should have faced Freitas or Casamayor before leaving 130, Spadafora and Dorin at 135, and at 140 the only guy he should have targeted was Tszyu.

[Fenster]

I wasn't being sarcastic, I think Loma's record Is fantastic.

I was answering the question you asked about the best fighters in the divisions.

I think he should have fought Berchelt and Corrales before moving up from 130. Walters and Sosa and Rigondeaux were not the best in the division. There was also Salido who I pointed out should have had wins over Martinez and Vargas and held a win over Loma. Even Davis was around (although Floyd wouldn't let that happen).

I wouldn't have had Linares in the P4P although I think he was the #1 lightweight with Garcia being at 140. Now that Garcia is back they both need that fight.

Was Russell Jr #1 at 126 when they fought? I doubt it, he hadn't beat anyone.

Salido did beat him. Mikey defeated Salido and also holds a win over Martinez, anther guy on Loma's record. I personally think Mikey's record is on par, if not better.

Salido, Zlaticanin, Broner, Lipnets and Easter also undefeated.

Vs

Russell Jr, Walters, Sosa, Rigo, Linares.

Just my opinion.

I never thought you was being sarcastic, I wasn't disputing anything you said, Berchelt would be a good matchup as would Tank.

MY OPINION is Loma fought better, much better fighters regardless of who was considered no.1 at the time he was involved in them.

And no way in a million years can I have Mikey's opposition as superior. How many of his victims are probable HOFamers? Loma has two probables already in Linares and Rigo and Russell Jr hasn't lost since Loma schooled him. Plus you have to take the number of fights and career timespan into account.

Garcia has been a pro 12 years with 39 fights.
Loma has been a pro for 4 years with 12 fights.

But again, it's just my opinion