Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
Unfortunately, you do not seem to have remembered Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, or even Syria today, Lyle. Sure, the US can try and do what it likes, but whether it meets its objectives is another thing entirely. The Vietnam war was a failure. The results of Afghanistan today say that this was a failure. Iraq based on lies no doubt a failure. Syria and the arming of ahem moderate rebels also a failure. Now, you can potentially start another war, but don't be too arrogant. And be very careful about the chain of motion it might set about unleashing. You have been lucky so far, but one day that hubris could crush you and wipe out humanity.
No I know all about them. I know politicians know how to fuck up a war, I know they know how to start a war as well. Vietnam was a clusterfuck and we can thank France and that lying sack of rat shit LBJ for getting us into that one. The Gulf of Tonkin incident is one of THE major False Flag operations of all time.

Afghanistan today? If the goal was "getting Bin Laden" (even though he was most likely killed in Tora Bora) then check that one off the list. The Taliban sucks for Afghans but they haven't really hurt us directly...heroin was certainly less of an issue prior to that invasion gee I wonder why?

Iraq was going to be invaded regardless of who won the 2000 election Bush or Gore (go back listen to the rhetoric on both sides) and regardless of 9/11...it was going to happen. The invasion of Iraq (initial invasion) was one of the best showings of military might in the history of the world. The HOLDING of Iraq was one of the dumbest, most illogical, fuck ups of all time. That said Trump came in office and he let General Mattis run the war and he's done an excellent job.

Syria (and Libya to an extent) are just as bad as how we got into Iraq. Malevolent forces in government got us in there, it wasn't in our national interests to get involved. Let's take a gander at exactly who is fighting in Syria on one side Assad & Russia on the other side I'm sure some decent people , but also ISIS and Al Qaeda...as an American citizen I'm comfortable letting that play out and us staying on the sidelines...but SOME of our politicians are asshats and want to get involved in everything, luckily Trump is fairly level headed in regards to getting into another conflict.


Iran is like North Korea, constantly saber rattling yet not doing too much, not much since the Lockerbie bombing which let's face it was a return shot for Iranian Air flight 655. The Iranian people have 0 beef with the US and the American people have 0 beef with the Iranian people...the Mullahs and our Government don't like each other which stems back to the 50's when England got us involved in Iran and said "They'll turn Commie if you don't keep the Shah in power" apparently because the Brits were too fearful of reprisal to do it themselves or they needed our help.

When it comes down to brass tacks and the United States wants to lay all it's cards out on the table....0 nations, 0 people, 0....beat our military. We've got enough nukes to end the entire world just by our lonesome, we have more guns even citizens with guns than anyone else Isoroku Yamamoto once claimed that mainland America could not be invaded because "behind each blade of grass is an American with a gun" (illegal immigration seems to have proven Yamamoto wrong it seems).


Hubris indeed, I'd rather America sat on the sidelines and let shit just happen to other nations, they expect too much of us and take it for granted that we'll fix something.






@brocktonbockbust your disappointment with American politics is noted. Persia has indeed been around for a long time and it's been a long time since they produced anything of note. They've been around so long they decided to take their women back in time and cover them head to toe in bin bags....how progressive, perhaps you'd like that for American women?