Joshua v Povetkin - it’s Official.

[Master]

Even when he loses James Toney wins IMO. It's like with Ricky Hatton in his last fight, he may have lost but he won in my eyes. It isn't just what they do in the ring. With Toney in his recent fights you know he is shot, but just the balls of losing all that weight to fight Lebedev, damaging his ligament early, and still having the smarts to go the distance. That's a win. I love the guy.

Let it go. Toney is gone and we will never see someone so young with his sublime innate boxing skills with attitude again ever.

[Gandalf]

Even when he loses James Toney wins IMO. It's like with Ricky Hatton in his last fight, he may have lost but he won in my eyes. It isn't just what they do in the ring. With Toney in his recent fights you know he is shot, but just the balls of losing all that weight to fight Lebedev, damaging his ligament early, and still having the smarts to go the distance. That's a win. I love the guy.

Let it go. Toney is gone and we will never see someone so young with his sublime innate boxing skills with attitude again ever.

True, but he would whip all of these posers at HW were the clock to be turned back and the government regulated the fast food industry.

[Master]

Even when he loses James Toney wins IMO. It's like with Ricky Hatton in his last fight, he may have lost but he won in my eyes. It isn't just what they do in the ring. With Toney in his recent fights you know he is shot, but just the balls of losing all that weight to fight Lebedev, damaging his ligament early, and still having the smarts to go the distance. That's a win. I love the guy.

Let it go. Toney is gone and we will never see someone so young with his sublime innate boxing skills with attitude again ever.

True, but he would whip all of these posers at HW were the clock to be turned back and the government regulated the fast food industry.

Toney's best win at heavyweight was against Ruiz or Holyfield but that would not be enough to beat AJ/Fury/Wilder who are too big.

[Alpha]

Toney at Cruiser against Jirov showed how great he was, he was well above his best weight, against one of the best fighters in the division and he went to war.

The Holyfield fight, again showed how good he was, even at an advanced aged and weight.

[Gandalf]

Even when he loses James Toney wins IMO. It's like with Ricky Hatton in his last fight, he may have lost but he won in my eyes. It isn't just what they do in the ring. With Toney in his recent fights you know he is shot, but just the balls of losing all that weight to fight Lebedev, damaging his ligament early, and still having the smarts to go the distance. That's a win. I love the guy.

Let it go. Toney is gone and we will never see someone so young with his sublime innate boxing skills with attitude again ever.

True, but he would whip all of these posers at HW were the clock to be turned back and the government regulated the fast food industry.

Toney's best win at heavyweight was against Ruiz or Holyfield but that would not be enough to beat AJ/Fury/Wilder who are too big.

Toney just got old and complacent in the end. He moved up at the tail end of his career. I believe he could take their punches. The trouble with James Toney is he could take punches too well, but the Toney who moved fresh up to HW was lightning quick, threw combinations, and still had those defensive smarts. If Haye can ahem beat Valuev, then Toney can handle the likes of Joshua, Fury and Co. Plus I consider Joshua to be a bit of a hype job with a silver spoon in his mouth. Toney wouldn't put up with that, he would humiliate him and have him gassing after 4. Joshua is lucky he is fighting opponents who do not throw in combination or have iron chins or have the same height as Brockton. He wouldn't be able to touch the legend that is James Toney. The likes of prime Toney and Tyson would eat these guys for breakfast. Too much movement and too much output and skill. Joshua has no output and is Bruno robot like, Fury fights scared, and Wilder is too sloppy. They are big but so was DLH against Pac. No mas!

[Master]

Even when he loses James Toney wins IMO. It's like with Ricky Hatton in his last fight, he may have lost but he won in my eyes. It isn't just what they do in the ring. With Toney in his recent fights you know he is shot, but just the balls of losing all that weight to fight Lebedev, damaging his ligament early, and still having the smarts to go the distance. That's a win. I love the guy.

Let it go. Toney is gone and we will never see someone so young with his sublime innate boxing skills with attitude again ever.

True, but he would whip all of these posers at HW were the clock to be turned back and the government regulated the fast food industry.

Toney's best win at heavyweight was against Ruiz or Holyfield but that would not be enough to beat AJ/Fury/Wilder who are too big.

Toney just got old and complacent in the end. He moved up at the tail end of his career. I believe he could take their punches. The trouble with James Toney is he could take punches too well, but the Toney who moved fresh up to HW was lightning quick, threw combinations, and still had those defensive smarts. If Haye can ahem beat Valuev, then Toney can handle the likes of Joshua, Fury and Co. Plus I consider Joshua to be a bit of a hype job with a silver spoon in his mouth. Toney wouldn't put up with that, he would humiliate him and have him gassing after 4. Joshua is lucky he is fighting opponents who do not throw in combination or have iron chins or have the same height as Brockton. He wouldn't be able to touch the legend that is James Toney. The likes of prime Toney and Tyson would eat these guys for breakfast. Too much movement and too much output and skill. Joshua has no output and is Bruno robot like, Fury fights scared, and Wilder is too sloppy. They are big but so was DLH against Pac. No mas!

Toney always wanted to be a heavyweight even when he was a middleweight but they said he was too small.

Toney seldom took punches on the chin which is why he stayed in the game so long.

Let it go.

[Beanz]

Even when he loses James Toney wins IMO. It's like with Ricky Hatton in his last fight, he may have lost but he won in my eyes. It isn't just what they do in the ring. With Toney in his recent fights you know he is shot, but just the balls of losing all that weight to fight Lebedev, damaging his ligament early, and still having the smarts to go the distance. That's a win. I love the guy.

Let it go. Toney is gone and we will never see someone so young with his sublime innate boxing skills with attitude again ever.

True, but he would whip all of these posers at HW were the clock to be turned back and the government regulated the fast food industry.

Toney's best win at heavyweight was against Ruiz or Holyfield but that would not be enough to beat AJ/Fury/Wilder who are too big.

Toney just got old and complacent in the end. He moved up at the tail end of his career. I believe he could take their punches. The trouble with James Toney is he could take punches too well, but the Toney who moved fresh up to HW was lightning quick, threw combinations, and still had those defensive smarts. If Haye can ahem beat Valuev, then Toney can handle the likes of Joshua, Fury and Co. Plus I consider Joshua to be a bit of a hype job with a silver spoon in his mouth. Toney wouldn't put up with that, he would humiliate him and have him gassing after 4. Joshua is lucky he is fighting opponents who do not throw in combination or have iron chins or have the same height as Brockton. He wouldn't be able to touch the legend that is James Toney. The likes of prime Toney and Tyson would eat these guys for breakfast. Too much movement and too much output and skill. Joshua has no output and is Bruno robot like, Fury fights scared, and Wilder is too sloppy. They are big but so was DLH against Pac. No mas!

How can you go on and on about Wilder and then pretend that Joshua is the one with a silver spoon in his mouth? Nobody here is claiming that AJ is the second coming, even if the casuals might think that, but you can't just dismiss someone purely because they are popular with the mainstream. That is a poor way to try and establish your own credibility. Povetkin/Joshua is a good fight.

[Gandalf]

HW Amir Khan with less speed and output IMO.

[Gandalf]

Wilder is much less like that as he hasn't been hyped up, doesn't fill stadiums or get PPV for fighting any old Joe. He's taken an easier route but done it the long way. Povetkin is an Olympian too. This is why James Toney has to deal with the pampered ones in the end via time machine and fast food regulation. Easy work for him.