US needs to beef up its Air Force. Thoughts?

[walrus]

China is building the tech and certainly has an army amongst the largest in world. China is concerned they have had no active warfare in over 40 years. They have been hooking up with Russia for war games and learn from Russia’s Chechnya, Ukraine and Syrian war.

[brocktonblockbust]

the US needs to build bases on the moon and on Mars and in the asteroid belt too because the US is never done with trying to dominate the world and the human race is never done trying to outdo each other Russia and China and the United States etc etc ad infinitum until we are all gone and wiped out

[Gandalf]

Good luck with that. 50 years ago China was laughing at you and now 50 years on they are much more powerful and shrugging their shoulders at these tit for tat economic digs. America has to accept that things have changed.

[Gandalf]

That is not an endorsement of China BTW, just a practical observation on the balance of power as it stands now. A war is unwinnable.

[walrus]

Good luck with that. 50 years ago China was laughing at you and now 50 years on they are much more powerful and shrugging their shoulders at these tit for tat economic digs. America has to accept that things have changed.

I don’t know about more powerful than us yet. This little trade dispute has knocked chinas stock market down to where it was in 2015. The yuan is losing against the dollar at this time. China was the first country to blow up a orbiting satellite via ground missile launch. Blew that satellite right up. China and Russia (I’m sure us as well) have weaponized satellites. Trumps call for a space force really isn’t crazy, that shit is gonna have to happen. It is a shame, think of all the good that could be done if we didn’t have stockpile weapons that will take out the world times 1000

[El Kabong]

Good luck with that. 50 years ago China was laughing at you and now 50 years on they are much more powerful and shrugging their shoulders at these tit for tat economic digs. America has to accept that things have changed.

Sure thing, we've been waiting for them to take over....been soooo looooong waiting waiting waiting

[Gandalf]

Hate to say it Lyle as I like you chaps and I hardly endorse a country that bans the books of one of my favorite writers, but one of the reasons you left with tail between the legs in Vietnam was because of the support of Russia and China. You were a much stronger country then too. You are seeing the same happen in Syria and China of course ignores your sanctions on Iran as does Russia with North Korea.

It is just something you cannot win. When those two are aligned you are outmatched and China of today is much richer than then. Their infrastructure like here is modern and pristine. Ask Brock what the New York subway is like andthe London Tube is some kind of antiquity. You chaps have lost the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq spending how much money? China meanwhile has of course built up its manufacturing and has a big world to trade with. America is only 300 million people. The sad thing is that it was all purposely given away by your elites. Thus you have tens of millions on welfare. China has all those jobs now and more as it has a huge domestic market too.

Building more aircraft is not going to change the balance of power.

[Spicoli]

Whole idea of additional bomber fleets seems so 1950's. But no one said Space Force would be cheap did they .

[Master]

Save the money and invest it on the infrastructure of the USA. It is a socialist idea but a good one.

[El Kabong]

Save the money and invest it on the infrastructure of the USA. It is a socialist idea but a good one.

Wow, that's a wonderful idea....now if only NATO and the UN didn't rely fully on American military strength.

[walrus]

Hate to say it Lyle as I like you chaps and I hardly endorse a country that bans the books of one of my favorite writers, but one of the reasons you left with tail between the legs in Vietnam was because of the support of Russia and China. You were a much stronger country then too. You are seeing the same happen in Syria and China of course ignores your sanctions on Iran as does Russia with North Korea.

It is just something you cannot win. When those two are aligned you are outmatched and China of today is much richer than then. Their infrastructure like here is modern and pristine. Ask Brock what the New York subway is like andthe London Tube is some kind of antiquity. You chaps have lost the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq spending how much money? China meanwhile has of course built up its manufacturing and has a big world to trade with. America is only 300 million people. The sad thing is that it was all purposely given away by your elites. Thus you have tens of millions on welfare. China has all those jobs now and more as it has a huge domestic market too.

Building more aircraft is not going to change the balance of power.

miles at the Paris peace accords ho chi min said if the US kept up the carpet bombing for even a few more days he would have surrendered unconditionally. China an Russia helped Keep us bogged down but it was really public sentiment that ended it. Vietnam was another war the Europeans sucked us into, thanks France

[brocktonblockbust]

US doesn't need any "sucking in to", it's the Greatest Satan in human history

[Gandalf]

Don't blame the French, they fled having lost 100, 000 men and you should have taken note. No, it was a war of your own choosing and on the way carried out genocide for a bunch of crooks in the south. 2 million dead people for what Walrus? Wanting their own nation state and having it run on their own terms? Isn't that what you wanted against the British?

I understand you are a patriotic kind of guy, but that was a needless war like most of them are. What business did Americans have in the jungles of Vietnam? Muhammad Ali was right when he said his enemy was right at home and not in Vietnam. That was a war against the interests of the American people. Did Trump go there? Did Bush? Did Clinton? No, it was the ordinary guy and they were defending a tyrannical South Vietnam in the interests of an elite that knew it was hopeless.

You sound a bit like the 'Let's nuke Japan chaps' with your evaluation of decades of carpet bombing. 'Just a few more days'.....2 million dead, Walrus. Every one of them with friends and family like yourself. Would you be happy were a foreign power carpet bombed your country? No, of course not. Sometimes you are wrong and that was a prime example. Even today people are dying of cancer because of the chemical weapons that were used. That's a cruel, cruel fate.

[TitoFan]

IMO you gotta tread carefully when discussing subjects like the Vietnam War. I can disagree with the motives for the war (I do), without shitting all over the brave servicemen and women who were sent to fight there. Remember, at that time, service wasn't exactly voluntary. The draft was big and inescapable for many. At a very young age, you just know that you're fighting a war for your country. You know little of the intricate politics behind the war itself. So I like to separate the politics and politicians from the soldiers who go over there and die. Did atrocities happen in Vietnam? Sure. But who here can attest to having been in a jungle environment, fighting an enemy who uses every possible means at their disposal, and knows the jungle 100 times more than you ever will? War is hell at any time and anywhere. But the Vietnam war was especially brutal. No smart bombs.... no drones.... no sandy, flat terrain to see your enemy coming from miles away. Just a jungle filled with booby traps.

[brocktonblockbust]

Don't blame the French, they fled having lost 100, 000 men and you should have taken note. No, it was a war of your own choosing and on the way carried out genocide for a bunch of crooks in the south. 2 million dead people for what Walrus? Wanting their own nation state and having it run on their own terms? Isn't that what you wanted against the British?

I understand you are a patriotic kind of guy, but that was a needless war like most of them are. What business did Americans have in the jungles of Vietnam? Muhammad Ali was right when he said his enemy was right at home and not in Vietnam. That was a war against the interests of the American people. Did Trump go there? Did Bush? Did Clinton? No, it was the ordinary guy and they were defending a tyrannical South Vietnam in the interests of an elite that knew it was hopeless.

You sound a bit like the 'Let's nuke Japan chaps' with your evaluation of decades of carpet bombing. 'Just a few more days'.....2 million dead, Walrus. Every one of them with friends and family like yourself. Would you be happy were a foreign power carpet bombed your country? No, of course not. Sometimes you are wrong and that was a prime example. Even today people are dying of cancer because of the chemical weapons that were used. That's a cruel, cruel fate.

I completely agree with Gandalf here. How dare people talk about a few more days of carpet bombing. All those white warmongers can go to hell because that's what we're talking about here they're all white. Does anybody know any black warmongers and if you do you can probably just name one or two. These are all white Anglo-Saxon warmongers. None of them are Armenian warmongers and none of them are Greek warmongers and none of them are Lebanese warmongers these are all white Anglo-Saxon warmongers let's be perfectly clear here. And Muhammad Ali was right the enemy was right there at home. there's no excuse for anybody in this country after what happened in Vietnam to not be able to know what the hell is going on with the military industrial complex and there was no excuse if you are in your teens and twenties by the 1980s or 1990s there's no excuse to contribute to that SATANIC war effort

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