Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?

[Ron Swanson]

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

[powerpuncher]

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

If I remember correctly, I think that was the most clear round for Canelo for me.

[Gandalf]

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

If I remember correctly, I think that was the most clear round for Canelo for me.

I agree. I had Canelo winning 2 early rounds and in the middle in the 7th too it looked as though the fight was tightening up somewhat. But GGG seemed to dig deep and separate them again down the stretch. Canelo obviously had his moments, but his output was lower and GGG was doing the damage then.

I cannot get over the bizarre argument that because GGG wanted Canelo to fight that somehow standing his ground eradicates who is doing most of the work. Andre Ward for instance makes that argument and I think it is a really dumb argument. You score a fight round by round and to say that fighter A did this and fighter B used his own plan B therefore he loses rounds is plainly ridiculous. I have heard Kellerman make the same argument. It's very poorly thought out thinking and unfortunately these people get to make the narrative.

[Gandalf]

Does not going to the ropes, despite being outlanded and being hit with the more hurtful shots really give you the decision? It's neither here nor there. James Toney could sit on the ropes all night, but it ends up being about are you landing more and landing more effectively than the other guy. You don't get bonus points for getting Toney off the ropes when he is still outlanding you in the middle too. It's a very silly argument. "GGG did not fight the full 12 'like a Mexican' therefore he lost" or "A draw is fair". Sure, a draw is better but most people still have GGG winning both fights. What does that even mean? Is adjudicating a fight now all about standing in the middle and going hell for leather and allowing plenty of hits to the head too? It's boxing and somewhere the scorecards have become increasingly irrelevant as it appears to be politics and then making excuses for it all to keep the cash cows happy. It's a farce.

[Ron Swanson]

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

If I remember correctly, I think that was the most clear round for Canelo for me.

I agree. I had Canelo winning 2 early rounds and in the middle in the 7th too it looked as though the fight was tightening up somewhat. But GGG seemed to dig deep and separate them again down the stretch. Canelo obviously had his moments, but his output was lower and GGG was doing the damage then.

I cannot get over the bizarre argument that because GGG wanted Canelo to fight that somehow standing his ground eradicates who is doing most of the work. Andre Ward for instance makes that argument and I think it is a really dumb argument. You score a fight round by round and to say that fighter A did this and fighter B used his own plan B therefore he loses rounds is plainly ridiculous. I have heard Kellerman make the same argument. It's very poorly thought out thinking and unfortunately these people get to make the narrative.

For the record, and I’m not defending Kellerman, he did clarify the next day that when he was saying Canelo was winning the perception of the fight he didn’t mean he was actually winning the fight. He meant there is the perception, and the scoring, that they are separate. Like you could control how the fight is being fought but still lose. You still have to actually do the better work. I thought Canelo did control how it was being fought, he did force GGG to back up almost the whole fight. But I didn’t have Canelo win, so I get where he is coming from.

[TitoFan]

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

If I remember correctly, I think that was the most clear round for Canelo for me.

I agree. I had Canelo winning 2 early rounds and in the middle in the 7th too it looked as though the fight was tightening up somewhat. But GGG seemed to dig deep and separate them again down the stretch. Canelo obviously had his moments, but his output was lower and GGG was doing the damage then.

I cannot get over the bizarre argument that because GGG wanted Canelo to fight that somehow standing his ground eradicates who is doing most of the work. Andre Ward for instance makes that argument and I think it is a really dumb argument. You score a fight round by round and to say that fighter A did this and fighter B used his own plan B therefore he loses rounds is plainly ridiculous. I have heard Kellerman make the same argument. It's very poorly thought out thinking and unfortunately these people get to make the narrative.

For the record, and I’m not defending Kellerman, he did clarify the next day that when he was saying Canelo was winning the perception of the fight he didn’t mean he was actually winning the fight. He meant there is the perception, and the scoring, that they are separate. Like you could control how the fight is being fought but still lose. You still have to actually do the better work. I thought Canelo did control how it was being fought, he did force GGG to back up almost the whole fight. But I didn’t have Canelo win, so I get where he is coming from.

Commentators tend to flop all over themselves trying to be eloquent, and all they do is muddle up the waters. WTF is all the nonsense about "winning the perception" or "winning the story" of the fight. I'd say FFS just score the fight according to your own personal judgment and quit trying to be philosophical about it.

[brocktonblockbust]

Winning the perception is a very relevant term Tito. it might not technically be part of the scoring but everything starts with our perception and Canelo shots were flashier and they made it louder kind of smacking sound and they were faster so therefore they were just more flashy and that is also why he won the perception.

[TitoFan]

So maybe we should have two sets of judges? One for the actual score and one for the perception score?

[Master]

Winning the perception is a very relevant term Tito. it might not technically be part of the scoring but everything starts with our perception and Canelo shots were flashier and they made it louder kind of smacking sound and they were faster so therefore they were just more flashy and that is also why he won the perception.

See what I mean?

Flashier and punches making louder sounds and faster? WTF are you on about?

Score the fight, round by round and who does better in it.

Not who is chasing who, or what they said before the fight, but who won the round.

Total them up and you will get only one winner and that will be Triple G.

[El Kabong]

Commentators tend to flop all over themselves trying to be eloquent, and all they do is muddle up the waters. WTF is all the nonsense about "winning the perception" or "winning the story" of the fight. I'd say FFS just score the fight according to your own personal judgment and quit trying to be philosophical about it.

OH That irked the shit out of me..."Canelo is winning the story of the fight".....what the what?!?!?

In the ring it doesn't matter who is going forward or going backward, it's about landing punches and not having punches land on you. Canelo was dedicated to landing to the body....not all of those punches landed clean, flush, or pierced the guard. Max Kellerman was all "Sometimes judges don't score body punches the same as headshots" well I'd say sometimes if you block body punches you don't get credit for them not landing.


Going forward or backward on it's own doesn't mean winning a fight or losing a fight. Fights can be won or lost both ways.


Kellerman is just a joke...his shit on ESPN is just God awful and his boxing commentary is awful now as well.

[TitoFan]

Commentators tend to flop all over themselves trying to be eloquent, and all they do is muddle up the waters. WTF is all the nonsense about "winning the perception" or "winning the story" of the fight. I'd say FFS just score the fight according to your own personal judgment and quit trying to be philosophical about it.

OH That irked the shit out of me..."Canelo is winning the story of the fight".....what the what?!?!?

In the ring it doesn't matter who is going forward or going backward, it's about landing punches and not having punches land on you. Canelo was dedicated to landing to the body....not all of those punches landed clean, flush, or pierced the guard. Max Kellerman was all "Sometimes judges don't score body punches the same as headshots" well I'd say sometimes if you block body punches you don't get credit for them not landing.


Going forward or backward on it's own doesn't mean winning a fight or losing a fight. Fights can be won or lost both ways.


Kellerman is just a joke...his shit on ESPN is just God awful and his boxing commentary is awful now as well.

Kellerman is from the Lampley school of idol worship. Kneepads and throat lozenges.

[El Kabong]

@TitoFan , I voted....I mean WOW...some close rounds, but how anyone could not have GGG winning it makes me wonder what they actually know about boxing. Canelo plods forward, GGG lands the better punches, takes Canelo's shots better, and his defense is underrated I guess being nonchalant about the blocking and slipping of punches hurt GGG because he certainly from a pure boxing standpoint did better (not that it was a sweet science fight). When Canelo moved backwards GGG still was the guy in control of the fight landing harder, hurting Canelo, and again GGG did a better job with his defense....Canelo didn't dodge, slip, or block all that often.

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

If I remember correctly, I think that was the most clear round for Canelo for me.

Sports Illustrated gave round 7 to GGG, Harold Lederman gave it to GGG....I've seen others give it to Canelo.


For me coming into this fight just like the last one GGG is THE Champ and Canelo didn't take it from him and also GGG didn't give it to Canelo.....GGG has fought better, but no way no how is he the loser of that fight.

[Primo Carnera]

@TitoFan , I voted....I mean WOW...some close rounds, but how anyone could not have GGG winning it makes me wonder what they actually know about boxing. Canelo plods forward, GGG lands the better punches, takes Canelo's shots better, and his defense is underrated I guess being nonchalant about the blocking and slipping of punches hurt GGG because he certainly from a pure boxing standpoint did better (not that it was a sweet science fight). When Canelo moved backwards GGG still was the guy in control of the fight landing harder, hurting Canelo, and again GGG did a better job with his defense....Canelo didn't dodge, slip, or block all that often.

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

If I remember correctly, I think that was the most clear round for Canelo for me.

Sports Illustrated gave round 7 to GGG, Harold Lederman gave it to GGG....I've seen others give it to Canelo.


For me coming into this fight just like the last one GGG is THE Champ and Canelo didn't take it from him and also GGG didn't give it to Canelo.....GGG has fought better, but no way no how is he the loser of that fight.

Ffs! I’m fucking raging!got a sneaky hour away to watch it on you tube and I had it as a draw. Then I realised I was watching the first fucking fight!!!
Link anywhere please?

[Memphis]

@TitoFan , I voted....I mean WOW...some close rounds, but how anyone could not have GGG winning it makes me wonder what they actually know about boxing. Canelo plods forward, GGG lands the better punches, takes Canelo's shots better, and his defense is underrated I guess being nonchalant about the blocking and slipping of punches hurt GGG because he certainly from a pure boxing standpoint did better (not that it was a sweet science fight). When Canelo moved backwards GGG still was the guy in control of the fight landing harder, hurting Canelo, and again GGG did a better job with his defense....Canelo didn't dodge, slip, or block all that often.

I wouldn’t disagree on any round except I can’t see GGG getting 7. That one blows my mind.

If I remember correctly, I think that was the most clear round for Canelo for me.

Sports Illustrated gave round 7 to GGG, Harold Lederman gave it to GGG....I've seen others give it to Canelo.


For me coming into this fight just like the last one GGG is THE Champ and Canelo didn't take it from him and also GGG didn't give it to Canelo.....GGG has fought better, but no way no how is he the loser of that fight.

Ffs! I’m fucking raging!got a sneaky hour away to watch it on you tube and I had it as a draw. Then I realised I was watching the first fucking fight!!!
Link anywhere please?

hahahahaha you daft cunt

[Primo Carnera]

So, finally got to see it. Personally I had Canelo winning it by 2 rounds. I have to say, I could watch it again tomorrow and see it very differently.
I didn’t want to see it that way, because I don’t like the advantages that Canelo and GBP get,so it was very much with gritted teeth that I gave it him. Let’s be honest, the cunt should still be banned really.
I still reckon that they had judges on the payroll as a belt and braces job, but imho the decision was right.