US needs to beef up its Air Force. Thoughts?

[walrus]

And miles u always bring up Nagasaki and Hiroshima which were indeed terrible but do you realize the firebombing of Germany which England participated in killed far more innocent humans? Carpet bombing with incendiary bombs of entire cities. What a horrible thought. They weren’t all Nazis.

[brocktonblockbust]

#triggered

[walrus]

You wanna see warlike people check this shit out

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...olving_Armenia

Looks like they always want to kill. Thank god we don’t have any of them here

[Gandalf]

Tito, my post was a measured and considered one. The US elite themselves knew the war was pointless and Johnson didn't want to lose face so he EXPANDED the genocide of freedom fighters and sacrificed more innocent American people. It was something that should have been learned from. But no war after war after to just waste money and let the Taliban return meanwhile Bin Laden is allegedly in Pakistan. Allegedly.

My stance is not biased. I apply the same to the indiscriminate killing of civilians in any war. Using nukes to 'teach the Russians' was deprorable. It was a gross experiment. Can you imagine what that is like? You are lucky to be vaporised. Those not covered in burns, vomiting white gunk, dying of cancers. No, it is degenerate and cowardly.

You might have noticed a pattern but I oppose all of these wars. Brock is right on that point. Anyone now signing up has no excuse of naivety. Viernam was a monstrosity. Rolling Heavy Thunder was described as one of the most self defeating strategies of all time. It also broke America economically. After Vietnam completely abandoning dollar and gold. Now all these years later 20 trillion in debt and the solution is to 'build airplanes' and 'build more nukes'.

[TitoFan]

Tito, my post was a measured and considered one. The US elite themselves knew the war was pointless and Johnson didn't want to lose face so he EXPANDED the genocide of freedom fighters and sacrificed more innocent American people. It was something that should have been learned from. But no war after war after to just waste money and let the Taliban return meanwhile Bin Laden is allegedly in Pakistan. Allegedly.

My stance is not biased. I apply the same to the indiscriminate killing of civilians in any war. Using nukes to 'teach the Russians' was deprorable. It was a gross experiment. Can you imagine what that is like? You are lucky to be vaporised. Those not covered in burns, vomiting white gunk, dying of cancers. No, it is degenerate and cowardly.

You might have noticed a pattern but I oppose all of these wars. Brock is right on that point. Anyone now signing up has no excuse of naivety. Viernam was a monstrosity. Rolling Heavy Thunder was described as one of the most self defeating strategies of all time. It also broke America economically. After Vietnam completely abandoning dollar and gold. Now all these years later 20 trillion in debt and the solution is to 'build airplanes' and 'build more nukes'.

Who's in a "tizzy" now?

My post wasn't even directed at you and merely made the distinction between hating wars, and hating those young boys who get/got drafted to go over and fight in Vietnam. You seem to have gone off on some tangent rant, to the point of declaring your point unbiased. WTF? What exactly did you read in my post that made it necessary to defend yourself?

[Gandalf]

Tito, my post was a measured and considered one. The US elite themselves knew the war was pointless and Johnson didn't want to lose face so he EXPANDED the genocide of freedom fighters and sacrificed more innocent American people. It was something that should have been learned from. But no war after war after to just waste money and let the Taliban return meanwhile Bin Laden is allegedly in Pakistan. Allegedly.

My stance is not biased. I apply the same to the indiscriminate killing of civilians in any war. Using nukes to 'teach the Russians' was deprorable. It was a gross experiment. Can you imagine what that is like? You are lucky to be vaporised. Those not covered in burns, vomiting white gunk, dying of cancers. No, it is degenerate and cowardly.

You might have noticed a pattern but I oppose all of these wars. Brock is right on that point. Anyone now signing up has no excuse of naivety. Viernam was a monstrosity. Rolling Heavy Thunder was described as one of the most self defeating strategies of all time. It also broke America economically. After Vietnam completely abandoning dollar and gold. Now all these years later 20 trillion in debt and the solution is to 'build airplanes' and 'build more nukes'.

Who's in a "tizzy" now?

My post wasn't even directed at you and merely made the distinction between hating wars, and hating those young boys who get/got drafted to go over and fight in Vietnam. You seem to have gone off on some tangent rant, to the point of declaring your point unbiased. WTF? What exactly did you read in my post that made it necessary to defend yourself?

Not in a tizzy at all, but making a series of observations and points backed up by the historical record. Is there anything you disagree with?

[walrus]

Miles all you look at was a bomb dropped on Japan and how the people felt. How did the victims of Nanking feel. How about the victims of every country Japan occupied since the 30’s. How about Pearl Harbor, remember the US was neutral until the Japanese attacked. Others here were calling for the nukes to be dropped on North Korea. One crazy warmongering white guy.

[Gandalf]

Ah, it is a misunderstanding. You probably see my entire post as calling you out, but only the first part was that. The rest was other things in the thread such as what I saw from Walrus. Don't take it so personally Tito, I agree with some of your post.

[walrus]

Miles, you also seem to forget the holocaust Japan committed against China and about every other country of the time

[Gandalf]

No double standards. Japan had an evil empire like the Nazis, but that does not excuse killing hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people with nuclear bombs. That makes you akin to the Nazis. Find your Catholic heart and see what those people went through whilst going to work and walking to school. How would you feel? You would be dead.

[Spicoli]

The real abandonment by the U.S in Vietnam wasn't economic it was that of the South Vietnamese forces after public support collapsed. Same as rallying the Kurds only to walk away.

[Gandalf]

South Vietnam was a series of MANY dictatorships opposed by the general public. The support of that only made tge Viet Cong grow and grow. If the US had got out in 1965 Vietnam would have united, had its elections and yes Ho Chi Minh would have won and could have been the end of it. But alas, no. 'Gotta fight those Commies'. To an American any move for Independence is 'Commie' and seemingly worth the death of millions along the way. What are you even doing there? Utter tragedy.

[Spicoli]

South Vietnam was a series of MANY dictatorships opposed by the general public. The support of that only made tge Viet Cong grow and grow. If the US had got out in 1965 Vietnam would have united, had its elections and yes Ho Chi Minh would have won and could have been the end of it. But alas, no. 'Gotta fight those Commies'. To an American any move for Independence is 'Commie' and seemingly worth the death of millions along the way. What are you even doing there? Utter tragedy.

Opening fire on Buddhist Monks didn't help. The deadline for North and South elections had come and gone. It really wasn't about fearing Communism in the North with small scale attacks on U.S backed rotating Governments. We've sat back and watched small blips on a Globe tear themselves apart and hardly missed sleep. Shit we even did it to ourselves. It was about the Chinese and Soviet backing for the resistance that began a decade prior to the Viet Cong coming along. In some ways it felt like WW2 never actually ended and once they tested their own nukes it was on. To not have lived it or in the time when kids practiced for Nuclear detonation in Anytown U.S.A limits judgment. Crazy thing is Ho Chi minh declared Independence just weeks after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Vietnam was fucked up but innocents on all sides paid the ultimate price. It hits home very close. Children being the constant and most confounding.