Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[Primo Carnera]

Has this fight still not been made? Fuck me, 3 weeks ago, Warren said it was “on” and the deal was “99% done” fuck me , that 1% is a real stumbling block!

[Gandalf]

Is 15000 that bad? Most fights in America are not exactly fought in stadiums. America is also very different to the UK where most of the population lives in the compressed south which is like an 1/8 of the size of a typical US state. The UK is tiny and the US as a whole is huge and quite spartan in a lot of places. Canelo sold 21000 last week, so Wilder at 14000 in a weak division is doing okay. The Fury fight will bring him more attention and then once he knocks out Joshua he is then a star and even then won't sell out US stadiums as the dynamics are different. He would fight in the usual arenas other fighters do.

[TitoFan]

He's still badly promoted. A skillful promoter would've been more proactive, and gotten him some fights in Vegas by now. A lot of casual fans don't even know who Deontay Wilder is..... and the guy has won 40 professional fights!

[brocktonblockbust]

I asked 5 teenagers who Deontay Wilder is, and 3 said "a YouTuber", and 2 said "a rapper from LA".

😦😕😞😞😞😞😞

[Fenster]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

[smashup]

Sounds like the undercard fighters already mentioned are no longer fighting on the card.

"The Ring reports that Staples Center has defeated Mandalay Bay in the battle for Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury, which takes place on December 1st via Showtime pay-per-view. As the article states, this will be the first “significant heavyweight title fight in L.A.” since Lennox Lewis bested Vitali Klitschko 15 years ago
This will be Wilder’s (40-0, 39 KO) second appearance in L.A., having smashed Kelvin Price in 2012 at the now-demolished Sports Arena, and Fury’s (27-0, 19 KO) first Stateside bout since fighting back from a knockdown to stop Steve Cunningham in 2013.

There was supposed to be a press conference for this fight yesterday, but it’s apparently been bumped to next Monday to make room for the Usyk-Bellew conference. It looks as though the grand ambitions to put Leo Santa Cruz vs. Gary Russell Jr. and Gervonta Davis vs. Abner Mares on the card fell through, but The Ring names Jarrett Hurd and Luis Ortiz as possible co-stars."

[smashup]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

I read this is Wilders first PPV fight as a headliner?
Not sure if that's true but it's pretty shocking given the amount of fights he's had.
For an undefeated Heavyweight Champ he's making peanuts too.

[Fenster]

Yeah this is Wilder's first PPV, and last if he loses.

He made $2 million for his last fight, personally I wouldn't regard that as "peanuts," nor would 95% of current registered pro-boxers, however, compared to Joshua's paydays it's peanuts, and I guess Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield and Wlad before that. But not having their fanbase/dough is not the only thing he doesn't have in common.

[Ron Swanson]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

That 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.

People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.

What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.

Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.

[brocktonblockbust]

It's going to be a sloppy dirty fight fight with more clinches than you can imagine and a lot of rabbit punches and wrestling and throwing each other to the ground

[Primo Carnera]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

That 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.

People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.

What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.

Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.

At a risk of feeling like Groundhog Day, if Wilder’s stock will be so high, of course Wilder and his team can offer TEAM AJ can’t they?
Btw, with reference to your “it’s not where you start it’s where you finish” theory, what would you prefer?
EXAMPLE A
5 fights as follows :
10 Million
15 Million
20 Million
20 Million
30 Million
Or EXAMPLE B.
1 Million
1 Million
2 Million
20 Million
30 Million

It’s ok, i’ll wait.