Fury v Wilder - Staples Center, Los Angeles 1/12/18

[brocktonblockbust]

I asked 5 teenagers who Deontay Wilder is, and 3 said "a YouTuber", and 2 said "a rapper from LA".

😦😕😞😞😞😞😞

[Fenster]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

[smashup]

Sounds like the undercard fighters already mentioned are no longer fighting on the card.

"The Ring reports that Staples Center has defeated Mandalay Bay in the battle for Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury, which takes place on December 1st via Showtime pay-per-view. As the article states, this will be the first “significant heavyweight title fight in L.A.” since Lennox Lewis bested Vitali Klitschko 15 years ago
This will be Wilder’s (40-0, 39 KO) second appearance in L.A., having smashed Kelvin Price in 2012 at the now-demolished Sports Arena, and Fury’s (27-0, 19 KO) first Stateside bout since fighting back from a knockdown to stop Steve Cunningham in 2013.

There was supposed to be a press conference for this fight yesterday, but it’s apparently been bumped to next Monday to make room for the Usyk-Bellew conference. It looks as though the grand ambitions to put Leo Santa Cruz vs. Gary Russell Jr. and Gervonta Davis vs. Abner Mares on the card fell through, but The Ring names Jarrett Hurd and Luis Ortiz as possible co-stars."

[smashup]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

I read this is Wilders first PPV fight as a headliner?
Not sure if that's true but it's pretty shocking given the amount of fights he's had.
For an undefeated Heavyweight Champ he's making peanuts too.

[Fenster]

Yeah this is Wilder's first PPV, and last if he loses.

He made $2 million for his last fight, personally I wouldn't regard that as "peanuts," nor would 95% of current registered pro-boxers, however, compared to Joshua's paydays it's peanuts, and I guess Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield and Wlad before that. But not having their fanbase/dough is not the only thing he doesn't have in common.

[TitoFan]

Good decent promoters would've gotten a LOT more mileage out of Wilder by now.

[smashup]

Dillian Whyte is now making the same if not more than Wilder.
Whyte got around £1.3 million for the Parker fight.
Wilder is being mugged right off

[Fenster]

Dillian Whyte is now making the same if not more than Wilder.
Whyte got around £1.3 million for the Parker fight.
Wilder is being mugged right off

Whyte just headlined a 400,000 selling PPV at a packed 02. If Wilder is on £1.5 million for non-PPV maybe Whyte is getting mugged off? - (Different markets)

[Ron Swanson]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

That 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.

People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.

What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.

Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.

[brocktonblockbust]

It's going to be a sloppy dirty fight fight with more clinches than you can imagine and a lot of rabbit punches and wrestling and throwing each other to the ground

[Primo Carnera]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

That 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.

People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.

What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.

Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.

At a risk of feeling like Groundhog Day, if Wilder’s stock will be so high, of course Wilder and his team can offer TEAM AJ can’t they?
Btw, with reference to your “it’s not where you start it’s where you finish” theory, what would you prefer?
EXAMPLE A
5 fights as follows :
10 Million
15 Million
20 Million
20 Million
30 Million
Or EXAMPLE B.
1 Million
1 Million
2 Million
20 Million
30 Million

It’s ok, i’ll wait.

[Ron Swanson]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

That 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.

People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.

What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.

Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.

At a risk of feeling like Groundhog Day, if Wilder’s stock will be so high, of course Wilder and his team can offer TEAM AJ can’t they?
Btw, with reference to your “it’s not where you start it’s where you finish” theory, what would you prefer?
EXAMPLE A
5 fights as follows :
10 Million
15 Million
20 Million
20 Million
30 Million
Or EXAMPLE B.
1 Million
1 Million
2 Million
20 Million
30 Million

It’s ok, i’ll wait.

Obviously the first. But it has ABSOLUTELY NO BARING on negotiations for his next fight. This is 2 people acknowledging the FACT that Wilder gets great TV ratings. And then you trying to switch the point.

And your other point is equally irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Wilder offers AJ, that’s already proven since Wilder already made a more than fair offer. What matters is that AJ comes back with a fair offer, which he has yet to do.

Any other irrelevant things you want to talk about?

[Master]

I am sure AJ overpaid Charles Martin to fight for the belt but he took the risk because the reward was high. He should bite the bullet and do the same against Wilder because the reward as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world will be worth the money in the long run.

[brocktonblockbust]

I am sure AJ overpaid Charles Martin to fight for the belt but he took the risk because the reward was high. He should bite the bullet and do the same against Wilder because the reward as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world will be worth the money in the long run.

That is why you should pay smashup right now and bite the bullet yourself. After you knock him out you will become The Supreme Mod of Saddo.

[Primo Carnera]

Wilder can't sell tickets (even those 15,000 numbers are bollocks as it covers all the "comps" (freebees) not the actual sales) however, he is the most WATCHED fighter on Showtime, his fight with Ortiz broke his previous record (1.1m - Stiverne). And more watched than all the non-ppv HBO fighters too.

So it's silly to pretend he's a nobody, he's more popular with Americans than - Crawford, M. Garcia, Kovalev, Spence, Ward, Broner, Loma, Porter, D. Garcia, etc.

And selling 7,000 tickets - even in your hometown - is solid by any "normal" fighters standards. However, when compared with PPV stars like Joshua, Canelo, Floyd and Pac it's absolute peanuts, as they are PPV stars too (doing a million+ BUYS), as well as selling out stadiums and Vegas (where one ticket is worth more than 20 normal ones).

If Wilder wasn't a big draw on TV he wouldn't even be considered for PPV. He is doing alright.

That 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.

People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.

What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.

Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.

At a risk of feeling like Groundhog Day, if Wilder’s stock will be so high, of course Wilder and his team can offer TEAM AJ can’t they?
Btw, with reference to your “it’s not where you start it’s where you finish” theory, what would you prefer?
EXAMPLE A
5 fights as follows :
10 Million
15 Million
20 Million
20 Million
30 Million
Or EXAMPLE B.
1 Million
1 Million
2 Million
20 Million
30 Million

It’s ok, i’ll wait.

Obviously the first. But it has ABSOLUTELY NO BARING on negotiations for his next fight. This is 2 people acknowledging the FACT that Wilder gets great TV ratings. And then you trying to switch the point.

And your other point is equally irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Wilder offers AJ, that’s already proven since Wilder already made a more than fair offer. What matters is that AJ comes back with a fair offer, which he has yet to do.

Any other irrelevant things you want to talk about?

"ABSOLUTELY NO BARING (sic)" of course it has a fucking BEARING! you said yourself that Floyd wasn't always a $200 million fighter. That's right, but he got there by taking the short end of the stick against people like Oscar, because they were the "A-Side"! I know that's horseshit, but it's the way it is. Floyd had to beat him to then become the "A-Side". it wasn't necessarily about who the best boxer was , it was a historical thing that has to built up.
now Joshua might be a better Boxer than Fury or Wilder, he might not. But Financially , he is the Money. So it obviously has a bearing on future negotiations.
Now Fury and Wilder can fight each other once, twice , ten times, but they are still not close to the Money Joshua earns.
Joshua doesn't have to go to the States as his earnings are massive here for fighting the Takams , Parkers , Povetkins and Whytes of this World. Bigger than anything Fury and Wilder can muster by fighting each other, and they are already playing catch up , because his dough is in the bank already.
I'm not saying that this is right and fair, but it's the way it is.
Finally, you talked about Matchroom's credibility in negotiations , but look at the Amateurish way that this Wilder/Fury business has unfolded. Allegedly , there's a press conference on Monday to "Announce" the date of December 1st.
Firstly , I'll believe it when I see it. Secondly that leaves them a ridiculously short period of time , 2 months to have training camps and marketing what is the biggest fight in both fighter's lives . That cannot benefit anybody surely? and thirdly , they (and you) had the gall to criticize Hearn/Matchroom's behaviour in all of this.
the marketing to date has consisted of :
Frank Warren bleating "It's on" a month ago and "It's 99% done" 3 weeks ago and yet still nothing.
Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury spurting out shit on their phones while driving or lying in bed and posting it on Social Media!!!
bunch of Amateur Clowns, the lot of them.