Top 5 Saddoboxing Truces

[walrus]

You guys are both brave men. Your testimony will help others to come forward

[brocktonblockbust]

You guys are both brave men. Your testimony will help others to come forward

in other words you don't believe in intellectual Enlightenment and the overcoming of superstitious brainwashing. It doesn't surprise me at all

[Gandalf]

You guys are both brave men. Your testimony will help others to come forward

It is the truth Walrus. Jesus was a human being who helped others, rejected materialism, and rejected occupation by Empire and corruption by a base religion. Do you really think Jesus would have been into the opulence of the Catholic Church considering he was the man that said if you have two coats then give the man with no coat one of them? He wanted to be a peasant king, to rule a socialist land where the rich are stripped of what they have and the poor be given a chance instead. This is why it is so funny that so many US Christians are on the right giving money to churches that have far too much money which are then given special status by corrupt governments. This is the opposite of what the message was. Challenging that resulted in his humanly death.

[walrus]

You guys are both brave men. Your testimony will help others to come forward

It is the truth Walrus. Jesus was a human being who helped others, rejected materialism, and rejected occupation by Empire and corruption by a base religion. Do you really think Jesus would have been into the opulence of the Catholic Church considering he was the man that said if you have two coats then give the man with no coat one of them? He wanted to be a peasant king, to rule a socialist land where the rich are stripped of what they have and the poor be given a chance instead. This is why it is so funny that so many US Christians are on the right giving money to churches that have far too much money which are then given special status by corrupt governments. This is the opposite of what the message was. Challenging that resulted in his humanly death.

And it is true u r brave. Obviously 2billion people r wrong and u are correct

[Gandalf]

You guys are both brave men. Your testimony will help others to come forward

It is the truth Walrus. Jesus was a human being who helped others, rejected materialism, and rejected occupation by Empire and corruption by a base religion. Do you really think Jesus would have been into the opulence of the Catholic Church considering he was the man that said if you have two coats then give the man with no coat one of them? He wanted to be a peasant king, to rule a socialist land where the rich are stripped of what they have and the poor be given a chance instead. This is why it is so funny that so many US Christians are on the right giving money to churches that have far too much money which are then given special status by corrupt governments. This is the opposite of what the message was. Challenging that resulted in his humanly death.

And it is true u r brave. Obviously 2billion people r wrong and u are correct

Show me just one piece of evidence to suggest otherwise. Show me one single person who can prove the existence of heaven. Show me one person who can prove the existence of an omnipotent God made in mans image. Show me one person who can prove Jesus returned from the dead. It's The Lord of the Rings style inversion of history. Show me one person who can say Jesus supported Empire and the corrupt Temple. The man was a socialist freedom fighter and as far as I am concerned that is pretty fucking cool on its own terms without the embellishments provided decades later to appease the Romans who had burned Israel to a crisp. He was given to the Romans and the Romans put him in the cross and he died the same as many other messiahs and people the authorities did not like. Is it so bad to actually believe in Jesus without all the bells and whistles on top. I am comfortable with my death and Jesus was too. That's how we should be living, like we are dead already. This is the closest to heaven we get.

[Gandalf]

And Jesus might well have believed in a God too, but it would have been the Jewish God. In those times all you had was myth and folklore he got his mostly from John the Baptist. His earthly ambitions were earthly ambitions and no omnipotent being came down and saved him. He died like any other man. Like you or I or anyone else. There's nothing so bad about dying. The thing that made Jesus different is that he took on the system. Most do not have that kind of courage.

[walrus]

And Jesus might well have believed in a God too, but it would have been the Jewish God. In those times all you had was myth and folklore he got his mostly from John the Baptist. His earthly ambitions were earthly ambitions and no omnipotent being came down and saved him. He died like any other man. Like you or I or anyone else. There's nothing so bad about dying. The thing that made Jesus different is that he took on the system. Most do not have that kind of courage.

See, your still talking religion.

[walrus]

Did u ever notice u guys who don’t believe talk about religion much more than I or anyone here who does believe? I always wonder why that is.

[Gandalf]

Did u ever notice u guys who don’t believe talk about religion much more than I or anyone here who does believe? I always wonder why that is.

I am interested in the life of human beings who lived their lives and I have no doubt that Jesus existed. I find it interesting when people are willing to die for what they believe in. I also think a lot of his values were decent ones. It also makes it even more curious when generations later the story becomes mythologized and people internalize it as a guide to life by absorbing the supernatural over what in reality was a little bit different. Jesus was taking on the Temple and the Roman Empire, he was a revolutionary. That's something that gets played down a lot and I find that very interesting.

As you can tell I am not mocking Jesus at all, I think the message was an interesting one. Resist occupation and help those around you. However, it is also a very dangerous message. He was a man of 2000 years ago and likely thought his God, his Jewish old Testament God, would intercede and do something dramatic, but he did nothing of the sort. If only Jesus had a copy of The God Delusion and rifle technology. It could have been different.

It's a great story.

[walrus]

Ya it’s interesting I just don’t spend a lot of time speaking on it here. I believe but I’m not out to convert anyone, it’s not my thing. Do as u wish I just find it strange when the anti religious spend so much time talking about religion

[Gandalf]

Ya it’s interesting I just don’t spend a lot of time speaking on it here. I believe but I’m not out to convert anyone, it’s not my thing. Do as u wish I just find it strange when the anti religious spend so much time talking about religion

My reading lately has been about the life of Jesus as it appears to have been and that is before Christianity even existed. Jesus wasn't even a Christian. He was a Jew fighting for his country and appeared to be telling people to share rather than bow down to a system of taxation and occupation. If people really took that message to heart then we would be living in a different kind of world. The money lenders have won. The Temples have one. Occupation has won. People bought into magic, rather than the real message. It's just interesting, that's all. It has nothing to do with God for me. God is religion, I personally don't think Jesus was about God, but that is because I see him as a human and nothing more, though he likely saw it differently due his times and indoctrination.