your point doesn't make any sense at all Walrus. We are not spending time talking about religion because it is not religion to us. It is historical stuff pure social historical humanistic stuff and not religion at all.

It is religion to you.

the other point about going back and forth about yes he does no he doesn't also doesn't make any sense at all. topics should be open to debate but you told me that religion was one topic that you will never debate. That is your right and that is your choice but to other people that seems very insecure and close-minded. plus there were a bunch of other topics the list of which just kept getting longer and longer that you said you did not want to talk about.

Again that is also your right but it is rather restrictive in a conversational perspective and after a while becomes a bit irritating in it's narrowness.

It's not a matter of trying to convince somebody one way or the other. It's just a matter of conversation at an adult level on complex topics