Middleweight, what’s next?

[Alpha]

Sorry, forgot to respond to your last part.

Do you really believe they could put a GGG/ Charlo fight together for December? I'm not saying that GGG can't fight in December, but he is 36 and probably needs a bit of extra time to recover than a younger man, who has previously tested positive for banned substances.

Would Charlo take that fight in December after only 2 rounds in 18 months?

[Ron Swanson]

Sorry, forgot to respond to your last part.

Do you really believe they could put a GGG/ Charlo fight together for December? I'm not saying that GGG can't fight in December, but he is 36 and probably needs a bit of extra time to recover than a younger man, who has previously tested positive for banned substances.

Would Charlo take that fight in December after only 2 rounds in 18 months?

The key difference is we don’t know for a fact Charlo, who has every right to, has petitioned to avoid GGG. We know GGG petitioned to avoid a Charlo fight. We have no evidence Charlo is looking anywhere else, we know GGG has contacted at least 4 other camps besides Canelo’s and we have no evidence GGG has contacted Charlo’s camp.

True we have no evidence Charlo’s camp has contacted GGGs, the difference is who has openly looked elsewhere and openly petitioned to avoid.

It may very well come out Charlo doesn’t want GGG right now. But we know GGG doesn’t want Charlo right now.

We can look at business, next occasion we can look at venues, next occasion...he was GGGs mandatory for over a year.

I don’t think it’s very fair to blame a guy being avoided for his weak opposition until he gets his chance. Once he can choose then it becomes fair to judge. I mean who’s fault is it that Charlo hasn’t faced GGG for example?

I can certainly understand GGG looking at someone else, but looking at everyone else looks bad.

[Ron Swanson]

Further on The Who has he fought front,,,when he and Jacobs went at it he said they could do it next, they could pay step aside money and get it on. Jacobs chose not to. Do we blame Charlo for Jacobs choosing to fight a nobody instead?

Lemieux and Saunders obviously wouldn’t fight him or Jacobs, so do we blame Charlo for them having no interest?

[Alpha]

Further on The Who has he fought front,,,when he and Jacobs went at it he said they could do it next, they could pay step aside money and get it on. Jacobs chose not to. Do we blame Charlo for Jacobs choosing to fight a nobody instead?

Lemieux and Saunders obviously wouldn’t fight him or Jacobs, so do we blame Charlo for them having no interest?

No ones blaming Charlo for not getting these fights, but he doesn't get credit for it either. When did he last fight. I feel sorry for both Charlo's. Very badly managed.

[Ron Swanson]

Further on The Who has he fought front,,,when he and Jacobs went at it he said they could do it next, they could pay step aside money and get it on. Jacobs chose not to. Do we blame Charlo for Jacobs choosing to fight a nobody instead?

Lemieux and Saunders obviously wouldn’t fight him or Jacobs, so do we blame Charlo for them having no interest?

No ones blaming Charlo for not getting these fights, but he doesn't get credit for it either. When did he last fight. I feel sorry for both Charlo's. Very badly managed.

But you are blaming Charlo when you keep saying who has he fought.

And speaking of previous post you say we can’t say GGG is avoiding him, he literally petitioned to avoid him. So he is avoiding him. Sure, he has his reasons. And I don’t have a problem with them. My issue is that we must acknowledge that he is avoiding him.

Like I’ve said, the other fights are good fights. I won’t complain about any of them. But it is not an insult to say GGG is avoiding Charlo, it’s just a fact. It’s 82 degrees outside and GGG is avoiding Charlo.

[Alpha]

Further on The Who has he fought front,,,when he and Jacobs went at it he said they could do it next, they could pay step aside money and get it on. Jacobs chose not to. Do we blame Charlo for Jacobs choosing to fight a nobody instead?

Lemieux and Saunders obviously wouldn’t fight him or Jacobs, so do we blame Charlo for them having no interest?

No ones blaming Charlo for not getting these fights, but he doesn't get credit for it either. When did he last fight. I feel sorry for both Charlo's. Very badly managed.

But you are blaming Charlo when you keep saying who has he fought.

And speaking of previous post you say we can’t say GGG is avoiding him, he literally petitioned to avoid him. So he is avoiding him. Sure, he has his reasons. And I don’t have a problem with them. My issue is that we must acknowledge that he is avoiding him.

Like I’ve said, the other fights are good fights. I won’t complain about any of them. But it is not an insult to say GGG is avoiding Charlo, it’s just a fact. It’s 82 degrees outside and GGG is avoiding Charlo.

I'm not blaming Charlo, but who has he fought? You want to talk about facts but ignore the obvious. It's not his entire fault that he hasn't got the big fights, but it is a fact that he has no decent wins at 160. Not blaming, just stating a fact.

If you think GGG is avoiding Charlo, then we'll have to agree to disagree. I have gone into detail in this thread on why other fights are more relevant. Like I said, you don't go after guys that are below you. They come after you. A Charlo fight is just not relevant (no matter how good a match up it is) to GGGs plans at this stage. Of course Charlo wants these big money fights, he doesn't want to keep fighting the Centeno's of the world. GGG is chasing the bigger, better fights. Canelo over Charlo is an obvious choice right? GGG is trying to do whats best for his career, as is Charlo. Fighting and beating Charlo does nothing for GGG at this stage, it still doesn't guarantee him a shot at Canelo. Beating the winners of the upcoming middleweight title fights hold more value on legacy. GGG is in a no win situation with Charlo, if he fights and beats him, people will say, "Who did Charlo beat?", "What had Charlo done at 160?". At least Jacobs and Saunders have won titles at the weight and have recorded some decent victories at the weight.

Charlo will probably fight someone like Monroe Jr, if he fights in December, to shake of some rust and keep his WBC interim title. Should we then say Charlo is avoiding GGG?

[Alpha]

If anyone's avoiding Charlo, it's Canelo.

[Alpha]

Sorry, forgot to respond to your last part.

Do you really believe they could put a GGG/ Charlo fight together for December? I'm not saying that GGG can't fight in December, but he is 36 and probably needs a bit of extra time to recover than a younger man, who has previously tested positive for banned substances.

Would Charlo take that fight in December after only 2 rounds in 18 months?

The key difference is we don’t know for a fact Charlo, who has every right to, has petitioned to avoid GGG. We know GGG petitioned to avoid a Charlo fight. We have no evidence Charlo is looking anywhere else, we know GGG has contacted at least 4 other camps besides Canelo’s and we have no evidence GGG has contacted Charlo’s camp.

True we have no evidence Charlo’s camp has contacted GGGs, the difference is who has openly looked elsewhere and openly petitioned to avoid.

It may very well come out Charlo doesn’t want GGG right now. But we know GGG doesn’t want Charlo right now.

We can look at business, next occasion we can look at venues, next occasion...he was GGGs mandatory for over a year.

I don’t think it’s very fair to blame a guy being avoided for his weak opposition until he gets his chance. Once he can choose then it becomes fair to judge. I mean who’s fault is it that Charlo hasn’t faced GGG for example?

I can certainly understand GGG looking at someone else, but looking at everyone else looks bad.

Like I have pointed out, the Charlo fight is not as relevant as the others for 1 reason or another.

If Charlo brought GGG 40 million, GGG would fight him tomorrow. GGG has said he would fight him.

Charlo won't even bring in as much as a Murata fight in Japan would, GGG will be idolized over there.

The winner of either of the middleweight title fights, will obviously have a better name on there records than Charlo has, as well as a title.

Of course Charlo would want GGG or Canelo for that matter, that's common sense, you don't call out guys below you, and the purses he would get for those fights will be career highs.

What does Charlo bring to the table? Other that being a top fight?

I think it's unfair to say GGG is avoiding Charlo, sure Charlo may have been mandatory but we all know the sanctioning bodies are ridiculous. Who did Charlo beat to get that spot again?

Unfortunately Charlo just isn't in that bracket yet, and if you feel beating the likes of Heiland and Centeno should put him ahead of Jacobs (who arguably beat GGG) and is not fighting another top middleweight, or Saunders/ Andrade, or a huge even against Murata, then that's fine, that's your opinion. I definitely feel a Charlo fight would be more difficult than some of those, but he needs to get in line.