Did Inoue step on Payano's foot before landing the right?

[greynotsoold]

All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

[Yuzo]

All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

not so.



left foot never moves. right foot moves only after the punch has landed. body stays in one place. no pivoting or fancy moving around him as you are implying.

[brocktonblockbust]

I also felt that the lead left foot of the Japanese fighter did not move until after he landed the follow up straight right hand.

I like the interpretation of the subconscious sort of presumption of "YOU HIT ME THEN I HIT YOU", almost as a given in the Dominican Fighters mind, then a little hitch--- first I thought his foot has been stepped on, that little hitch,---- the interpretation above is also more psychological rather than physical as I had first proposed.

[Yuzo]

I also felt that the lead left foot of the Japanese fighter did not move until after he landed the follow up straight right hand.

I like the interpretation of the subconscious sort of presumption of "YOU HIT ME THEN I HIT YOU", almost as a given in the Dominican Fighters mind, then a little hitch--- first I thought his foot has been stepped on, that little hitch,---- the interpretation above is also more psychological rather than physical as I had first proposed.

thats right. i think that little pause after the jab got payano thinking whatever inoue was doing was over, and in that lapse, gets hit. inoue just had the right mind to notice it to pull the trigger there. i think its more to timing instincts and reflexes, rather than, he put his foot x and he put his hand y, so thats why he got hit. i think that approach is overthinking. i think boxing is more instinctive than it is intellectual.

[greynotsoold]

All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

not so.



left foot never moves. right foot moves only after the punch has landed. body stays in one place. no pivoting or fancy moving around him as you are implying.

He very clearly does pivot as he throws the right hand; look where he ends up at the end.

[greynotsoold]

And he did step on Payano's foot.

[Yuzo]

All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

not so.



left foot never moves. right foot moves only after the punch has landed. body stays in one place. no pivoting or fancy moving around him as you are implying.

He very clearly does pivot as he throws the right hand; look where he ends up at the end.

this differs from your claim that he jabs, then steps into a different location to throw a right hand.



looks like he throws the right hand from the same place he threw the jab. he only moves elsewhere after the punch lands. but that seemed to be to get out of the way, than a tactic to set up an angle for a punch that he had already threw.

[brocktonblockbust]

Joe that is a great post. You know instinctively I just felt without seeing their feet in the video that I watched that something happened to Payanos lead right foot, the way in which he slightly squares up even if it's just by a centimeter or two is rather odd and you would not think of taking that defensive position after getting hit with a jab.

Yuzo also makes that great point that is instinctual and not calculated sometimes

[J_Undisputed]

Grey's got it correct. Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

Most of the time when guys are hesitating, its to get the angle or distance on a punch. In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping and pivoting to get around that lead arm take it out of the equation and find his angle. Most martial arts start with a footwork system designed to exploit attack angles. if you jab a guy and he goes straight back, (you're at his 12 on a clock face) you're just closing the distance because hes squared up and you can funnel shots through the guard (he can too though but you can see them coming). If he turns or pivots off (and your at his 3 or 9 you can still find his head over his shoulder or loop shots around his elbows to the body or uppercuts toward his chin if you're close enough ..all from a safe spot. if he pivots off and you're at his 10 or 2 o'clock, his head tends to be behind his lead glove, elbow and shoulder... if his guard is high and if his body is bladed you can't see the power hand which is lined up to your 12 o clock if he turns into you... His head could be where you think it is and his power hand could be scratching his @$$ or he could be lining you up to drop the hammer on you... so you hesitate while you're adjusting while finding you attack angle or closing the distance.

Otherwise you're gambling on whats behind door number one...
A. you shoot a shot around his lead glove (sacrificing distance you get from the full extension of a straight punch) at where you think his head is... you happen to have just enough to land it. maybe he goes down or to sleep....
B. The shot you loop is just on the inside of the lead hand and in perfect position to be parried and taken down while he counters with the power hand to the now unprotected side of your chin/temple/face.
C. You're not close enough because you didn't take that extra step and you fall short, leaving you overextended and off balance... (see B. )
D. You shot a straight punch for the sake of continuing an all out assault, He takes it on the lead glove/ elbow/ shoulder and turns into you with the ugliest counter you've never seen (See B.)
E. You throw to the body and land something that maybe doesn't have much on it or he turns away and the ref calls it a kidney punch. The point is you take your hand away from your face to deliver a low percentage shot and well... you know where it goes from there.

It's a nasty proposition by the numbers. Most fighters work based on throwing punches based on target acquisition, (which is why so many fights look awful after their reflexes go and they see the target but cant pull the trigger). It pays to take that extra step to get distance or angle.

[TitoFan]

You guys are too technical for me..... but I like the analysis.


Inoue is definitely amazing.... no doubt about that. Too bad in a way Payano got caught flush and cold. The first round is usually a bad time to take a punch like that.... you haven't tasted too much leather yet, and the shock of a flush shot can be devastating. The same punch in a later round floors him for sure, but may not have knocked him clean out. That being said, it takes nothing away from the amazing-ness that is Inoue. If Emmanuel Rodriguez gets past Moloney, which by all rights he should, he's got a tall task ahead of him if it's Inoue standing in his way. I'll still be rooting for my boy, though.

[Yuzo]

In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping

this didnt happen. there was no additional step.

Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

it sounds like you are saying that he would have pivoted himself into a new location to get a different angle to throw his right hand, if payano's knee didnt get in the way? why are you assuming he needs a different angle to throw his right hand? this is what i mean by overthinking.