Terence Crawford- the best P4P in the sport today!

[powerpuncher]

Easy to say when he won’t fight Spence. He had his chance, everyone was waiting to hear “I want Errol Spence” and he chose the cop out of I fight who I’m told to fight. Spence is out there “I see no smoke, I need a fight” in direct response to that cop out. Really disappointed by Crawford right now. Really disappointed by everyone around 147 dodging Spence.

A bit harsh, IMO.

1. He just got to 147. Two fights at welter does not constitute a wealth of experience there.

2. There are plenty of 147-pounders who have been there for awhile who ARE ducking Spence, and should have first dibs. The Spence-Crawford showdown will occur in due time. We fans are a desperate lot.

3. Even Spence should be calling out his fellow 147-pounders and let the spectre of that showdown grow.

4. Crawford fought top-notch opposition during his reign at 140. Why accuse him of ducking Spence as soon as he puts his foot in at 147, or assume he's not gonna want to face him?

A bit harsh, IMO.

Ron, you get carried away with the "He said, She said" nonsense . So he never mentioned Spence, that automatically means he's ducking him , right ? Even if he had turned around and spat Spence's name down the microphone with venom, that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on whether the fight can get made. there's a whole load of other obstacles and politics to overcome, and I know that you're not naïve and you already know that.
Do you honestly believe that as many Boxers as you state are cowards and duck other guys? Sometimes , it may be the case , but more often than not, the very nature of top class Boxers invariably means that they wouldn't run scared of another fighter.
Like I said before, I think Spence Beats Crawford, but I don't think Crawford is ducking or would duck him.

Crawford has never given me a reason to think of him as a ducker. He has fought anybody in his path. Unfortunately, he hasn’t had any elite fighters on his path so far, but he can only do so much. I don’t see anybody calling out Crawford. He is top 3 p4p on basically any list you will see. Other welters should be asking to fight him. Not the other way around.

[Master]

I think Loma is p4p the best.

[Alpha]

Easy to say when he won’t fight Spence. He had his chance, everyone was waiting to hear “I want Errol Spence” and he chose the cop out of I fight who I’m told to fight. Spence is out there “I see no smoke, I need a fight” in direct response to that cop out. Really disappointed by Crawford right now. Really disappointed by everyone around 147 dodging Spence.

A bit harsh, IMO.

1. He just got to 147. Two fights at welter does not constitute a wealth of experience there.

2. There are plenty of 147-pounders who have been there for awhile who ARE ducking Spence, and should have first dibs. The Spence-Crawford showdown will occur in due time. We fans are a desperate lot.

3. Even Spence should be calling out his fellow 147-pounders and let the spectre of that showdown grow.

4. Crawford fought top-notch opposition during his reign at 140. Why accuse him of ducking Spence as soon as he puts his foot in at 147, or assume he's not gonna want to face him?

A bit harsh, IMO.

Ron, you get carried away with the "He said, She said" nonsense . So he never mentioned Spence, that automatically means he's ducking him , right ? Even if he had turned around and spat Spence's name down the microphone with venom, that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on whether the fight can get made. there's a whole load of other obstacles and politics to overcome, and I know that you're not naïve and you already know that.
Do you honestly believe that as many Boxers as you state are cowards and duck other guys? Sometimes , it may be the case , but more often than not, the very nature of top class Boxers invariably means that they wouldn't run scared of another fighter.
Like I said before, I think Spence Beats Crawford, but I don't think Crawford is ducking or would duck him.

Crawford has never given me a reason to think of him as a ducker. He has fought anybody in his path. Unfortunately, he hasn’t had any elite fighters on his path so far, but he can only do so much. I don’t see anybody calling out Crawford. He is top 3 p4p on basically any list you will see. Other welters should be asking to fight him. Not the other way around.

Ron never likes to present the full story.

Spence was the one saying awhile back that the different networks and promoters would be obstacles and he appeared more interested in Porter.

Arum has come out saying he wants to make the Spence fight next.

We all know how the behind the scenes stuff works in this business, and we all get disappointed when fights we want made don't eventuate at the time we want, but all this ducking talk is nonsense.

Everyone was waiting to hear “I want Errol Spence”, nah all I'm waiting to hear is "the fight is official", all the talk outside the ring is irrelevant.

[El Kabong]

I like ol' Bud Crawford he's a heck of a fighter and he's been overshadowed by lesser skilled fighters for too long.

It's a shame he wasn't around when Floyd was at 135-140 hell even at 147 I think he would fight until he absolutely dropped vs anyone and everyone. He's got good all around skill, he's polished, he's comfortable in the ring, only weakness is he doesn't have that GTS power but like Carmen Basilio before him he will flat work a guy into the canvas and stop him.


I want Crawford to get the biggest pay days he can right now, guy should be an absolute fan favorite!

[mikeeod]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

[powerpuncher]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Hands down better than Canelo. Canelo has maybe proven now to be in the top 10. Loma hasn’t beaten opposition much better than Crawford and neither has Garcia.

[Alpha]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Hands down better than Canelo. Canelo has maybe proven now to be in the top 10. Loma hasn’t beaten opposition much better than Crawford and neither has Garcia.

Guys like Usyk, Inoue and Wangek need to be included in any P4P conversation.

[powerpuncher]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Hands down better than Canelo. Canelo has maybe proven now to be in the top 10. Loma hasn’t beaten opposition much better than Crawford and neither has Garcia.

Guys like Usyk, Inoue and Wangek need to be included in any P4P conversation.

Agreed. I was just commenting on those fighters that he mentioned

[mikeeod]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Hands down better than Canelo. Canelo has maybe proven now to be in the top 10. Loma hasn’t beaten opposition much better than Crawford and neither has Garcia.

I feel that Nicholas Walters was a great win for Loma, as was Linares. Both of those, in my opinion, are much better than anyone Crawford has beaten (and he looked very impressive in how he beat them also). I thought Canelo lost to GGG both times, but he is hands down much better than anyone Crawford has beaten, while Lara and Trout were solid wins as well (when he fought them). Mikey has the closest class of competition to Crawford, but I slightly prefer his wins over Broner and Robert Easter over Crawford’s biggest wins over Horn and Gamboa.

[Alpha]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Hands down better than Canelo. Canelo has maybe proven now to be in the top 10. Loma hasn’t beaten opposition much better than Crawford and neither has Garcia.

Guys like Usyk, Inoue and Wangek need to be included in any P4P conversation.

Agreed. I was just commenting on those fighters that he mentioned

I wasn't singling you out or anything, just commenting that there are roughly 8 guys you could make a case for being #1.

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Hands down better than Canelo. Canelo has maybe proven now to be in the top 10. Loma hasn’t beaten opposition much better than Crawford and neither has Garcia.

I feel that Nicholas Walters was a great win for Loma, as was Linares. Both of those, in my opinion, are much better than anyone Crawford has beaten (and he looked very impressive in how he beat them also). I thought Canelo lost to GGG both times, but he is hands down much better than anyone Crawford has beaten, while Lara and Trout were solid wins as well (when he fought them). Mikey has the closest class of competition to Crawford, but I slightly prefer his wins over Broner and Robert Easter over Crawford’s biggest wins over Horn and Gamboa.

Add Salido to Mikey's record as well.

[powerpuncher]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Hands down better than Canelo. Canelo has maybe proven now to be in the top 10. Loma hasn’t beaten opposition much better than Crawford and neither has Garcia.

I feel that Nicholas Walters was a great win for Loma, as was Linares. Both of those, in my opinion, are much better than anyone Crawford has beaten (and he looked very impressive in how he beat them also). I thought Canelo lost to GGG both times, but he is hands down much better than anyone Crawford has beaten, while Lara and Trout were solid wins as well (when he fought them). Mikey has the closest class of competition to Crawford, but I slightly prefer his wins over Broner and Robert Easter over Crawford’s biggest wins over Horn and Gamboa.

I’m not a huge fan of picking apart people’s records because I don’t want to take away accomplishments. So I will just repeat and say that Loma and Garcia don’t have anybody I would consider elite on their resume either that is a career defining win.

Agreed that Canelo has fought a few good fighters, but he also should have lost to GGG twice (clearly) and I thought he lost to Trout. Many also thought he lost to Lara. Using the eye test though, Canelo is nowhere near as good of a fighter as Crawford.

[smashup]

Crawford should come and fight in the UK, put on a masterclass and raise his profile globally.
Same with Lomachenko.

[TitoFan]

I can’t see ranking Crawford ahead of Loma, Mikey Garcia, Errol Spence, and Canelo. He is obviously gifted and has great skill, but he hasn’t beaten the competition those guys have (in my opinion). He hasn’t fought bums or ducked anyone, but I need to see him beat someone on the level of Gamboa, but at his own size. Gamboa wasn’t big enough to last vs Crawford, and I still thought he made Bud look ordinary for the first four rounds or so. Not saying Crawford isn’t a solid fighter, just that I’m not ready to rank him on top until he beats elite level fighters at their best weight.

Let's consider Spence. The guy's obviously a force, but besides "past his peak" Peterson and "damaged goods" Brook..... who has he fought? Not trying to downgrade the man, but it seems once we become enamored of a certain fighter, it's hard to let go. I don't disagree with Crawford lacking some pedigree of opposition, and we both agree it's not his fault. But look carefully at the records of all those guys and you'll find glaring weaknesses in each. Loma has concentrated some quality in a short pro career, but one can say it still lacks scalps. Mikey has a long, distinguished record and probably stands above the others.... but if you look hard enough he's got his share of gatekeepers and shot fighters in there. I'll abstain from commenting on Canelo's record.

[Ron Swanson]

Easy to say when he won’t fight Spence. He had his chance, everyone was waiting to hear “I want Errol Spence” and he chose the cop out of I fight who I’m told to fight. Spence is out there “I see no smoke, I need a fight” in direct response to that cop out. Really disappointed by Crawford right now. Really disappointed by everyone around 147 dodging Spence.

A bit harsh, IMO.

1. He just got to 147. Two fights at welter does not constitute a wealth of experience there.

2. There are plenty of 147-pounders who have been there for awhile who ARE ducking Spence, and should have first dibs. The Spence-Crawford showdown will occur in due time. We fans are a desperate lot.

3. Even Spence should be calling out his fellow 147-pounders and let the spectre of that showdown grow.

4. Crawford fought top-notch opposition during his reign at 140. Why accuse him of ducking Spence as soon as he puts his foot in at 147, or assume he's not gonna want to face him?

A bit harsh, IMO.

Ron, you get carried away with the "He said, She said" nonsense . So he never mentioned Spence, that automatically means he's ducking him , right ? Even if he had turned around and spat Spence's name down the microphone with venom, that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on whether the fight can get made. there's a whole load of other obstacles and politics to overcome, and I know that you're not naïve and you already know that.
Do you honestly believe that as many Boxers as you state are cowards and duck other guys? Sometimes , it may be the case , but more often than not, the very nature of top class Boxers invariably means that they wouldn't run scared of another fighter.
Like I said before, I think Spence Beats Crawford, but I don't think Crawford is ducking or would duck him.

Crawford has never given me a reason to think of him as a ducker. He has fought anybody in his path. Unfortunately, he hasn’t had any elite fighters on his path so far, but he can only do so much. I don’t see anybody calling out Crawford. He is top 3 p4p on basically any list you will see. Other welters should be asking to fight him. Not the other way around.

Ron never likes to present the full story.

Spence was the one saying awhile back that the different networks and promoters would be obstacles and he appeared more interested in Porter.

Arum has come out saying he wants to make the Spence fight next.

We all know how the behind the scenes stuff works in this business, and we all get disappointed when fights we want made don't eventuate at the time we want, but all this ducking talk is nonsense.

Everyone was waiting to hear “I want Errol Spence”, nah all I'm waiting to hear is "the fight is official", all the talk outside the ring is irrelevant.

Exactly right that it’s nonsense, because I never said Crawford was ducking Spence. I said everyone was dodging Spence. “I see NO smoke, I need a fight”. That is about EVERYONE. But you folks go ahead and change what was said, I’m used to it. Bo Mac said they want Spence, Arum said they want Spence, if Crawford says he wants Spence we have something. For all your talk of me misrepresenting, does anyone care to directly contradict the point, does anyone want to put their name to a statement that they will negotiate with Spence? I bet not because everyone here knows they won’t.

If Spence becomes a PPV fighter they will. But Spence can’t become a PPV fighter until one of these top guys actually fights him.

[Alpha]

Easy to say when he won’t fight Spence. He had his chance, everyone was waiting to hear “I want Errol Spence” and he chose the cop out of I fight who I’m told to fight. Spence is out there “I see no smoke, I need a fight” in direct response to that cop out. Really disappointed by Crawford right now. Really disappointed by everyone around 147 dodging Spence.

A bit harsh, IMO.

1. He just got to 147. Two fights at welter does not constitute a wealth of experience there.

2. There are plenty of 147-pounders who have been there for awhile who ARE ducking Spence, and should have first dibs. The Spence-Crawford showdown will occur in due time. We fans are a desperate lot.

3. Even Spence should be calling out his fellow 147-pounders and let the spectre of that showdown grow.

4. Crawford fought top-notch opposition during his reign at 140. Why accuse him of ducking Spence as soon as he puts his foot in at 147, or assume he's not gonna want to face him?

A bit harsh, IMO.

Ron, you get carried away with the "He said, She said" nonsense . So he never mentioned Spence, that automatically means he's ducking him , right ? Even if he had turned around and spat Spence's name down the microphone with venom, that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on whether the fight can get made. there's a whole load of other obstacles and politics to overcome, and I know that you're not naïve and you already know that.
Do you honestly believe that as many Boxers as you state are cowards and duck other guys? Sometimes , it may be the case , but more often than not, the very nature of top class Boxers invariably means that they wouldn't run scared of another fighter.
Like I said before, I think Spence Beats Crawford, but I don't think Crawford is ducking or would duck him.

Crawford has never given me a reason to think of him as a ducker. He has fought anybody in his path. Unfortunately, he hasn’t had any elite fighters on his path so far, but he can only do so much. I don’t see anybody calling out Crawford. He is top 3 p4p on basically any list you will see. Other welters should be asking to fight him. Not the other way around.

Ron never likes to present the full story.

Spence was the one saying awhile back that the different networks and promoters would be obstacles and he appeared more interested in Porter.

Arum has come out saying he wants to make the Spence fight next.

We all know how the behind the scenes stuff works in this business, and we all get disappointed when fights we want made don't eventuate at the time we want, but all this ducking talk is nonsense.

Everyone was waiting to hear “I want Errol Spence”, nah all I'm waiting to hear is "the fight is official", all the talk outside the ring is irrelevant.

Exactly right that it’s nonsense, because I never said Crawford was ducking Spence. I said everyone was dodging Spence. “I see NO smoke, I need a fight”. That is about EVERYONE. But you folks go ahead and change what was said, I’m used to it. Bo Mac said they want Spence, Arum said they want Spence, if Crawford says he wants Spence we have something. For all your talk of me misrepresenting, does anyone care to directly contradict the point, does anyone want to put their name to a statement that they will negotiate with Spence? I bet not because everyone here knows they won’t.

If Spence becomes a PPV fighter they will. But Spence can’t become a PPV fighter until one of these top guys actually fights him.

You said he won't fight Spence, not sure what you wanted us to take from that? Ducking, dodging avoiding, whatever you want to call it is false.

So where are the offers and negotiations from Spence and Haymon? Crawford said he wants everyone, Spence is included in that statement. You want him to go through and name each fighter individually? That's on you. Spence isn't the only welter, if Thurman ever gets his tune ups in, I personally would much prefer that fight for Crawford over Spence. Arum has said he would like to make the Spence fight next. I'm sure both guys want the fight. Blaming one side or the other at this stage is getting a little ahead of ourselves. Also getting hung up on all this outside the ring crap is beyond me, when currently we have so many good fights, almost every weekend. Who cares about who's not fighting who, and give our attention to the fights that are actually happening.