Terence Crawford- the best P4P in the sport today!

[Alpha]

Haha fan of breathing 😂 F-ckin auto correct aye?

Size has never really mattered to me, I prefer to go of opposition and what I see in front of me.

Remember the current cruisers are about the same size roughly as some of our favourite heavies, Big George never really got much over 220 until after his comeback. Ali was his best around 210. Today's cruisers rehydrate to at least that.

I'm pretty sure watching Usyk we can all agree that he is a fantastic fighter. It's sort of the same as Ricardo Lopez (not comparing him to Usyk) just that his form was punch perfect and in that only many rate him as a great, the opposition is what let's him down.

Just a few of my thoughts on it.

[Ron Swanson]

I thought it was a folksy way of saying he was born in the late 80s haha

[p4pking]

Yea man, you finally got something right!

[Alpha]

Yea man, you finally got something right!

Thanks 😂

[Fenster]

It would be fairer if we listed the negatives about Crawford's opposition, like has been done for Loma, instead of focusing on only positives. Or at least acknowledge the positives of Loma's opposition.

It's easy to pick holes in any fighters record and spin it however you want. The pro-Crawford camp instantly say - "too small" - about a bonafide P4P elite in Rigo whilst ignoring Gamboa was a natural featherweight who moved back down to 130 after facing Crawford. His only fight at 135 he struggled to a PTS win over Darleys Perez, a man Crolla and Campbell knocked out before losing to Linares (the supposed weak resume guy who was a three-weight champion and WBC and WBA and Ring at 135).

Postol? Best win is a "shot" Matthysse, then lost against a 12-0 British prospect.

Indongo? Best win is an upset over a "shot" Burns, then got annihilated inside 6 minutes by Prograis.

Beltran? Just the 7 other losses besides Crawford for a drug cheat.

Diaz? Benavidez? Dulorme? They haven't even won an alphabet between them.

[Alpha]

It would be fairer if we listed the negatives about Crawford's opposition, like has been done for Loma, instead of focusing on only positives. Or at least acknowledge the positives of Loma's opposition.

It's easy to pick holes in any fighters record and spin it however you want. The pro-Crawford camp instantly say - "too small" - about a bonafide P4P elite in Rigo whilst ignoring Gamboa was a natural featherweight who moved back down to 130 after facing Crawford. His only fight at 135 he struggled to a PTS win over Darleys Perez, a man Crolla and Campbell knocked out before losing to Linares (the supposed weak resume guy who was a three-weight champion and WBC and WBA and Ring at 135).

Postol? Best win is a "shot" Matthysse, then lost against a 12-0 British prospect.

Indongo? Best win is an upset over a "shot" Burns, then got annihilated inside 6 minutes by Prograis.

Beltran? Just the 7 other losses besides Crawford for a drug cheat.

Diaz? Benavidez? Dulorme? They haven't even won an alphabet between them.

It is easy to do, I'm only trying to point out that there are probably around 8 guys that could all make a claim as the best fighter in the world. All there records can be picked apart to an extend, but to call any of these guys' records superior to any of the others doesn't seem right to me, which is the only reason I pointed out some of Crawford's record, as I have stated, I wouldn't have Crawford or Loma as my #1.

[Fenster]

It would be fairer if we listed the negatives about Crawford's opposition, like has been done for Loma, instead of focusing on only positives. Or at least acknowledge the positives of Loma's opposition.

It's easy to pick holes in any fighters record and spin it however you want. The pro-Crawford camp instantly say - "too small" - about a bonafide P4P elite in Rigo whilst ignoring Gamboa was a natural featherweight who moved back down to 130 after facing Crawford. His only fight at 135 he struggled to a PTS win over Darleys Perez, a man Crolla and Campbell knocked out before losing to Linares (the supposed weak resume guy who was a three-weight champion and WBC and WBA and Ring at 135).

Postol? Best win is a "shot" Matthysse, then lost against a 12-0 British prospect.

Indongo? Best win is an upset over a "shot" Burns, then got annihilated inside 6 minutes by Prograis.

Beltran? Just the 7 other losses besides Crawford for a drug cheat.

Diaz? Benavidez? Dulorme? They haven't even won an alphabet between them.

It is easy to do, I'm only trying to point out that there are probably around 8 guys that could all make a claim as the best fighter in the world. All there records can be picked apart to an extend, but to call any of these guys' records superior to any of the others doesn't seem right to me, which is the only reason I pointed out some of Crawford's record, as I have stated, I wouldn't have Crawford or Loma as my #1.

I understand.

But your breakdown of Crawford's record showed just how weak it is (imo) and you were trying to overplay it. You haven't once played all the positives about Loma's competition.

Loma, Mikey, Wangek, Shiro, Crawford, Uysk, Inoue, Canelo, Golovkin - some have better opposition, some more titles, some more divisions and some quite simply look better than others. There is no right or wrong.

[p4pking]

Hey, maybe it’d be fairer if I woke my grandmother up at 3am and smashed her over the head with a canoe, then set out to cut down a tree with my socks.

[Fenster]

The cruiserweight division is much stronger today and held in much higher esteem than back in the day. There's currently more registered cruiserweights than lightheavies. The change from 190 to 200 was a big benefit to it. As @Alpha said - the guys today are the 70s heavyweight heroes, big athletes with obvious speed, skill and power.

[Ron Swanson]

It would be fairer if we listed the negatives about Crawford's opposition, like has been done for Loma, instead of focusing on only positives. Or at least acknowledge the positives of Loma's opposition.

It's easy to pick holes in any fighters record and spin it however you want. The pro-Crawford camp instantly say - "too small" - about a bonafide P4P elite in Rigo whilst ignoring Gamboa was a natural featherweight who moved back down to 130 after facing Crawford. His only fight at 135 he struggled to a PTS win over Darleys Perez, a man Crolla and Campbell knocked out before losing to Linares (the supposed weak resume guy who was a three-weight champion and WBC and WBA and Ring at 135).

Postol? Best win is a "shot" Matthysse, then lost against a 12-0 British prospect.

Indongo? Best win is an upset over a "shot" Burns, then got annihilated inside 6 minutes by Prograis.

Beltran? Just the 7 other losses besides Crawford for a drug cheat.

Diaz? Benavidez? Dulorme? They haven't even won an alphabet between them.

Wait, Matthysse was shot but later moved up and won the fake belt your other boy pretended was real. How did he win the belt if he was shot? Or are you now admitting the WBA Regular is not a major title? I sure hope it’s the latter and we can get some consistency

Also, you don’t count 3 wins because the guys didn’t win a belt. But you put that as a credit to Loma with Marriaga who didn’t win a belt AND moved up. Can we please get some consistency?

And please stop lying, not one person said Linares was weak. Just everyone recognizes that Garcia is a better fighter than Linares. Even you recognize this. So don’t play victim and twist things around to push a fake agenda.

[Fenster]

Ron, you have so spectacularly failed to see the point of my post to Alpha it's laughable, however, I am bored enough to combat some of your other vitriolic attack on my good self.

Belts

I've spent 20 years shitting on alphabets. The WBC, WBA Reg, WBA Super, IBF or WBO is all the same to me - meaningless!!! FIGHTERS make the belt!!!

However, alphabets GUARANTEE high rankings, collateral, deals, money and the ticket to SELL major fights. Find me ONE alphabet holder not independently ranked in the top 10 of his division? If fans/media want to use alphabets as a barometer then I play by the SAME rules.

BELTS = POWER yet have NOTHING to do with THE best fighter.

Linares ranked higher than Mikey at 135. Who do I I think would win? Mikey!!! There is no contradiction!

Murata ranked higher than Charlo at 160. Who do I think would win? Charlo!!! There is no contradiction!

You are not Nostradamus!!! I am not Nostradamus!!! Nobody is Nostradamus!!! And Nostradamus was a GENUINE deceptive, lying, agenda driven fake cunt!!! I'm just a sad cunt killing time speaking to you lunatics.