They're talking GGG-Brant now

[TitoFan]

Somehow it’s hate to want this guy to realize his potential. Boxing fans have lost their way. Take ODLH, I was a hater because I didn’t think he was as good as everyone said. Really f’n good but not as good as thought. But I recognize dude took on a who’s who in the sport. This guy that should be lauded by fans of the sport is called fishnets more often than Oscar. As if his undergarments are more important than consistently fighting the best. It’s completely warped. We boxing fans are broken

As a promoter, the guy who was going to "change the game" he's been a real piece of shit.


I don't call the guy anything other than Oscar...I think he got shafted by the judges a couple times in his career in big fights, and as a promoter he's seen fit to job others in big fights.....kinda shitty.

Nail on head right there. He was prematurely seen as the savior of boxing from the evil promoters King and Arum. New blood for the promoting part of the sport. And all he's done is drive it completely into the toilet. I could care less if he wears fishnets, mascara, has a fetish for kitchen utensils.... whatever. In his private life he can do what he chooses. But he's been a woeful disappointment as a promoter and all the promise to "change the game" has gone down the same toilet. F*ck 'im.

[Ron Swanson]

Somehow it’s hate to want this guy to realize his potential. Boxing fans have lost their way. Take ODLH, I was a hater because I didn’t think he was as good as everyone said. Really f’n good but not as good as thought. But I recognize dude took on a who’s who in the sport. This guy that should be lauded by fans of the sport is called fishnets more often than Oscar. As if his undergarments are more important than consistently fighting the best. It’s completely warped. We boxing fans are broken

As a promoter, the guy who was going to "change the game" he's been a real piece of shit.


I don't call the guy anything other than Oscar...I think he got shafted by the judges a couple times in his career in big fights, and as a promoter he's seen fit to job others in big fights.....kinda shitty.

Nail on head right there. He was prematurely seen as the savior of boxing from the evil promoters King and Arum. New blood for the promoting part of the sport. And all he's done is drive it completely into the toilet. I could care less if he wears fishnets, mascara, has a fetish for kitchen utensils.... whatever. In his private life he can do what he chooses. But he's been a woeful disappointment as a promoter and all the promise to "change the game" has gone down the same toilet. F*ck 'im.

Fair enough. I don’t even think about him as a promoter because there is nothing worthy of thinking about.

[Ron Swanson]

FTR in a vacuum I have no problem with a Brant fight. It’s when you look it it through the scope of years and years of not taking on the very best that it’s bothersome. And I don’t care to hear about who didn’t want to fight him. I only care about who he could fight and chose not to. And I only care about that because I’ve always thought very highly of him as a fighter. My issue with GGG is the endless run of uninspiring opponents. And how it is all explained away. Right now he can choose ANYONE. Right now he should choose the best opponents.

[TitoFan]

FTR in a vacuum I have no problem with a Brant fight. It’s when you look it it through the scope of years and years of not taking on the very best that it’s bothersome. And I don’t care to hear about who didn’t want to fight him. I only care about who he could fight and chose not to. And I only care about that because I’ve always thought very highly of him as a fighter. My issue with GGG is the endless run of uninspiring opponents. And how it is all explained away. Right now he can choose ANYONE. Right now he should choose the best opponents.

I have to keep reminding myself of that because your rants are pretty hard. (That's not a criticism, by the way). Because as hard as you rant about GGG not fighting certain people, I rarely see you rant about "the other guy" moving up to fight Fielding. So I tell myself it's because you don't think very highly of him as a fighter. If so, then we're on the same page because I certainly don't. Nor do I respect his own "years and years of not taking on the very best". Most of what you wrote I apply one-million-fold to "the other guy." In all honesty, I'd love to see GGG-Jacobs II, GGG-Andrade, or even GGG-Charlo, although like I said Charlo is a newcomer to the division.

[Fenster]

FTR in a vacuum I have no problem with a Brant fight. It’s when you look it it through the scope of years and years of not taking on the very best that it’s bothersome. And I don’t care to hear about who didn’t want to fight him. I only care about who he could fight and chose not to. And I only care about that because I’ve always thought very highly of him as a fighter. My issue with GGG is the endless run of uninspiring opponents. And how it is all explained away. Right now he can choose ANYONE. Right now he should choose the best opponents.

Jacobs
Canelo
Canelo

In three of his last four fights Golovkin has faced top three ranked middleweights, he's done exactly what you're claiming he hasn't.

Now we all know you don't hate Golovkin, don't worry, Ron, we know you DO NOT hate Golovkin, but it seems from the evidence above that even when Golovkin has faced the best guys available you claim he hasn't.

Unfortunately, Ron, there's not a serious boxing fan on earth who can make a case for Charlo being a bigger fight for Golovkin than those two. Swap either for Charlo and Golovkin's resume/status becomes weaker.

[Ron Swanson]

FTR in a vacuum I have no problem with a Brant fight. It’s when you look it it through the scope of years and years of not taking on the very best that it’s bothersome. And I don’t care to hear about who didn’t want to fight him. I only care about who he could fight and chose not to. And I only care about that because I’ve always thought very highly of him as a fighter. My issue with GGG is the endless run of uninspiring opponents. And how it is all explained away. Right now he can choose ANYONE. Right now he should choose the best opponents.

Jacobs
Canelo
Canelo

In three of his last four fights Golovkin has faced top three ranked middleweights, he's done exactly what you're claiming he hasn't.

Now we all know you don't hate Golovkin, don't worry, Ron, we know you DO NOT hate Golovkin, but it seems from the evidence above that even when Golovkin has faced the best guys available you claim he hasn't.

Unfortunately, Ron, there's not a serious boxing fan on earth who can make a case for Charlo being a bigger fight for Golovkin than those two. Swap either for Charlo and Golovkin's resume/status becomes weaker.

I knew you couldn’t resist your chance to try to deceive everyone.

In one argument it’s all what you’ve done at a weight. Well what the f has Canelo done at the weight? Let’s look


Cotto, was never a real MW, win
GGG, lost and got a BS decision
GGG, most feel he lost again

So by most accounts he is 1-2 with exactly 0 wins against a real MW. By your method he clearly is not one of the best MWs.

Everyone here recognizes I am not saying Charlo is the only fight. But again you attempt to deceive. It’s what you do.

Tell us again how good Murata is. Tell us how good Brant is. Or maybe it isn’t about how good they are at all, how completely off the point of sport that is.

[Ron Swanson]

This really is quite simple. Nobody was saying “what I really want to see is GGG vs Murata”, sure it makes sense and can be justified but it wasn’t the fight anyone wanted.

That falls off the table and again we get a name that can be justified but again it isn’t one of the fights anyone wanted.

When you constantly have to defend without consideration to best opponents you have to resort to tricks like Fenster or acknowledge there are fights we want and are not getting, and have not been getting. Brant is an okay fight but it isn’t among the desired fights, Murata was an okay fight but not amongst the desired fights.

[TitoFan]

This has turned into a pretty good argument.

Ron, I'd put out there the thought that sometimes it sounds like GGG only has one or two fights left in his future. That's the only way I can comprehend your insistence that GGG fight Charlo NOW. I could understand if GGG were feasting on the old, undersized, weaker members of the herd..... but that's just not the case. Let's not forget that GGG did face Jacobs only a few fights ago, early last year. This all tends to get swept under the rug. Some people, apparently including yourself, get put off by the Canelo dilogy with potential of becoming a trilogy. They were both great fights, particularly the 2nd one, if you excuse the blatant robberies. GGG got a lot more notoriety and recognition (and money) than he would've ever gotten without Canelo in his life. More casuals know GGG now than they ever did before. But back on point. GGG isn't talking about retirement yet. Let him do Brant, then let's see where he goes from there. I'll guarantee you this.... he won't be dredging the bottom of the barrel looking for a "legacy defining" fight.

[Fenster]

FTR in a vacuum I have no problem with a Brant fight. It’s when you look it it through the scope of years and years of not taking on the very best that it’s bothersome. And I don’t care to hear about who didn’t want to fight him. I only care about who he could fight and chose not to. And I only care about that because I’ve always thought very highly of him as a fighter. My issue with GGG is the endless run of uninspiring opponents. And how it is all explained away. Right now he can choose ANYONE. Right now he should choose the best opponents.

Jacobs
Canelo
Canelo

In three of his last four fights Golovkin has faced top three ranked middleweights, he's done exactly what you're claiming he hasn't.

Now we all know you don't hate Golovkin, don't worry, Ron, we know you DO NOT hate Golovkin, but it seems from the evidence above that even when Golovkin has faced the best guys available you claim he hasn't.

Unfortunately, Ron, there's not a serious boxing fan on earth who can make a case for Charlo being a bigger fight for Golovkin than those two. Swap either for Charlo and Golovkin's resume/status becomes weaker.

I knew you couldn’t resist your chance to try to deceive everyone.

In one argument it’s all what you’ve done at a weight. Well what the f has Canelo done at the weight? Let’s look


Cotto, was never a real MW, win
GGG, lost and got a BS decision
GGG, most feel he lost again

So by most accounts he is 1-2 with exactly 0 wins against a real MW. By your method he clearly is not one of the best MWs.

Everyone here recognizes I am not saying Charlo is the only fight. But again you attempt to deceive. It’s what you do.

Tell us again how good Murata is. Tell us how good Brant is. Or maybe it isn’t about how good they are at all, how completely off the point of sport that is.

This is the most ridiculous comeback i've ever read. Canelo PROVED himself against Golovkin, regardless of the outcome (and for what it's worth was the lineal champion after beating Cotto). Jacobs ENHANCED his status with his effort against Golovkin, regardless of the outcome. Those LOSSES are far, far superior form than victories over journeymen like Jorge Sebastian Heiland!!!

Charlo doesn't have any form at 160 to rank close to the men mentioned, yet you claim "Golovkin is on an endless run of uninspiring opponents"!!! Then call me a deceiving, trickster conning the forum for pointing out how WEAK your argument is!!!

You quite simply don't understand impartiality or consistency. It's not personal and you don't speak for anyone but yourself. It's not deception or lies it's smashing weak arguments to bits with facts, logic and evidence. Fact.

Everyone in the boxing world is a deceptive, lying, trickster for ranking Canelo and Jacobs like Fenster.
The Ring
C. Canelo Alvarez
1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Daniel Jacobs


ESPN
1. Canelo Alvarez
2. Gennady Golovkin
3. Daniel Jacobs


Boxing News
1. Canelo Alvarez
2. Gennady Golovkin
3. Daniel Jacobs


SADDO Forum
1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Canelo Alvarez
3. Danny Jacobs


TBR
C. Saul Alvarez
1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Daniel Jacobs

[TitoFan]

Damn. I read those rankings and get very very sad.

Not disputing they're what they are. Just saying it just shows how so much can be "achieved" in boxing through smoke and mirrors.

[Alpha]

I got one wouldn't be happy with a Brant fight, Murata brought big money and a title, which made sense for GGG and his family. Funny thing is, I'd see GGG making the same dollars for a Jacobs, Charlo, or Andrade fight, as he would fighting Brant. Saunders is suspended for 6 months.

I'd love to see him face Jacobs next, then face Canelo in Sep.

[powerpuncher]

I got one wouldn't be happy with a Brant fight, Murata brought big money and a title, which made sense for GGG and his family. Funny thing is, I'd see GGG making the same dollars for a Jacobs, Charlo, or Andrade fight, as he would fighting Brant. Saunders is suspended for 6 months.

I'd love to see him face Jacobs next, then face Canelo in Sep.

Here’s my problem with a third Canelo fight. Let’s say that GGG got the decision in both fights. Let’s pretend that the judges saw it like 85% of the spectators. Would facing Canelo a third time really be a fight you would be calling for?

That’s my problem. They were entertaining fights, but I would much rather see him fight another top middleweight that he hasn’t fought before or even Jacobs who has earned a rematch because of how close the first fight was. I don’t take bad judging into account when I rank who the best fighters are or who they should fight in the future

[Alpha]

I got one wouldn't be happy with a Brant fight, Murata brought big money and a title, which made sense for GGG and his family. Funny thing is, I'd see GGG making the same dollars for a Jacobs, Charlo, or Andrade fight, as he would fighting Brant. Saunders is suspended for 6 months.

I'd love to see him face Jacobs next, then face Canelo in Sep.

Here’s my problem with a third Canelo fight. Let’s say that GGG got the decision in both fights. Let’s pretend that the judges saw it like 85% of the spectators. Would facing Canelo a third time really be a fight you would be calling for?

That’s my problem. They were entertaining fights, but I would much rather see him fight another top middleweight that he hasn’t fought before or even Jacobs who has earned a rematch because of how close the first fight was. I don’t take bad judging into account when I rank who the best fighters are or who they should fight in the future

To your first question, I would like to see a 3rd fight, I wasn't really interested in the rematch as I thought GGG had won the first, but GGG was getting a good payday and the chance to correct the wrong, so I wasn't that fussed.

The 2nd fight was really good and I would like to see a repeat of that. GGG has slipped enough and Canelo has improved enough to where a 3rd fight is 50/50 and has the makings of another exciting gruelling battle. And again it would be another big payday for GGG and Canelo I guess is the 'champion'.

That's not saying that I wouldn't want see GGG fight Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade or Brant, but Canelo 2 was more entertaining for me than GGG/Jacobs, Andrade and Brant fights don't strike me as barn burners.

It also depends on what network GGG goes with. ESPN could get him Brant, Showtime could get him Charlo, DAZN gets him closer to Canelo, and could get him Jacobs, Andrade etc.

I would also like to see some of these other guys fight each other as well.

[powerpuncher]

I got one wouldn't be happy with a Brant fight, Murata brought big money and a title, which made sense for GGG and his family. Funny thing is, I'd see GGG making the same dollars for a Jacobs, Charlo, or Andrade fight, as he would fighting Brant. Saunders is suspended for 6 months.

I'd love to see him face Jacobs next, then face Canelo in Sep.

Here’s my problem with a third Canelo fight. Let’s say that GGG got the decision in both fights. Let’s pretend that the judges saw it like 85% of the spectators. Would facing Canelo a third time really be a fight you would be calling for?

That’s my problem. They were entertaining fights, but I would much rather see him fight another top middleweight that he hasn’t fought before or even Jacobs who has earned a rematch because of how close the first fight was. I don’t take bad judging into account when I rank who the best fighters are or who they should fight in the future

To your first question, I would like to see a 3rd fight, I wasn't really interested in the rematch as I thought GGG had won the first, but GGG was getting a good payday and the chance to correct the wrong, so I wasn't that fussed.

The 2nd fight was really good and I would like to see a repeat of that. GGG has slipped enough and Canelo has improved enough to where a 3rd fight is 50/50 and has the makings of another exciting gruelling battle. And again it would be another big payday for GGG and Canelo I guess is the 'champion'.

That's not saying that I wouldn't want see GGG fight Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade or Brant, but Canelo 2 was more entertaining for me than GGG/Jacobs, Andrade and Brant fights don't strike me as barn burners.

It also depends on what network GGG goes with. ESPN could get him Brant, Showtime could get him Charlo, DAZN gets him closer to Canelo, and could get him Jacobs, Andrade etc.

I would also like to see some of these other guys fight each other as well.

I get all of that, but are you wanting a third Canelo fight only because of judging sake? Because if GGG got the decision in both fights, I would be shocked if you or anybody else would be saying a third fight between the two were anywhere near acceptable over GGG fighting other top fighters.

[Alpha]

I got one wouldn't be happy with a Brant fight, Murata brought big money and a title, which made sense for GGG and his family. Funny thing is, I'd see GGG making the same dollars for a Jacobs, Charlo, or Andrade fight, as he would fighting Brant. Saunders is suspended for 6 months.

I'd love to see him face Jacobs next, then face Canelo in Sep.

Here’s my problem with a third Canelo fight. Let’s say that GGG got the decision in both fights. Let’s pretend that the judges saw it like 85% of the spectators. Would facing Canelo a third time really be a fight you would be calling for?

That’s my problem. They were entertaining fights, but I would much rather see him fight another top middleweight that he hasn’t fought before or even Jacobs who has earned a rematch because of how close the first fight was. I don’t take bad judging into account when I rank who the best fighters are or who they should fight in the future

To your first question, I would like to see a 3rd fight, I wasn't really interested in the rematch as I thought GGG had won the first, but GGG was getting a good payday and the chance to correct the wrong, so I wasn't that fussed.

The 2nd fight was really good and I would like to see a repeat of that. GGG has slipped enough and Canelo has improved enough to where a 3rd fight is 50/50 and has the makings of another exciting gruelling battle. And again it would be another big payday for GGG and Canelo I guess is the 'champion'.

That's not saying that I wouldn't want see GGG fight Jacobs, Charlo, Saunders, Andrade or Brant, but Canelo 2 was more entertaining for me than GGG/Jacobs, Andrade and Brant fights don't strike me as barn burners.

It also depends on what network GGG goes with. ESPN could get him Brant, Showtime could get him Charlo, DAZN gets him closer to Canelo, and could get him Jacobs, Andrade etc.

I would also like to see some of these other guys fight each other as well.

I get all of that, but are you wanting a third Canelo fight only because of judging sake? Because if GGG got the decision in both fights, I would be shocked if you or anybody else would be saying a third fight between the two were anywhere near acceptable over GGG fighting other top fighters.

No not for judging sake, based off the last fight, I want to see that again. As I said, it was more entertaining for me than GGG/Jacobs. Which is the fight I would like to see GGG take next.

Let's be realistic, if GGG signs to fight 1 of these guys, let's say it is Jacobs. There is no reason that fights between the likes of Charlo, Andrade, Brant, Derevyanchenko, Saunders can't happen. We could at least hope for at least 1 other fight to be made between those guys.