Mind the Gap

[Gandalf]

It is telling that in a thread about tax avoidance that the continued scam of neoconservatives using immigrants as a convenient scapegoat is the first thing mentioned by those wanting to blow a dog whistle to alert their fellow racists.

Make no mistake Murray is a bigoted racist white supremacist and he like Bannon is part of a campaign to push white supremacy. This is the book he and Bannon see as 'prophetic'. It is why he Trump and Bannon think all Muslims should be banned and repatriated. It is why Murray the loathsome cunt claims that all Indians have brought to the UK is cuisine. Just like Gandalf and his similar broad racist propaganda in which non-White means non British, in fact even many whites are to him not British enough despite being born here. Here is the book https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entr...b0284854b3dc03

No, this is simply not good enough. If this is Beanz, then I am actually a bit disappointed by the quality of the 'debate' going on here. I am going to have to either concede that Beanz has been hit on the head (again) or that this is simply not Beanz.

The book is prophetic, and probably quite racist, though the author of that book later conceded that the scale of immigration in fact far exceeded the numbers given in the book.

What do you mean by white supremacy? The concept that Europe is the home of particular groups who have no other place to go to in the world if they are usurped, then is that white supremacy? Is there black supremacy in Nigeria? Should Europeans all move there? Is there 'Asian' supremacy in India where foreigners are prohibited from purchasing property? You cannot have it all ways? Are the Japanese supremacists too because they carefully control the borders of their fine and exceptional country? Or does this supremacy deal only apply to those of a paler skin colour in Europe and America because they dare to consider that their homeland is theirs and that they should have priority over people who do not have citizenship or in many cases have not even attempted to move to a country legally?

Now is the book tasteful? No. Is it nice? No. However, that does not subtract from its message that Europe will in time become dominated by illegal invaders who will not integrate? No. Books do not have to be tasteful. Conrad's The Heart of Darkness was not tasteful. William Burrough's Naked Lunch was not tasteful. However, that does not detract from the power of the literature. Literature is art, it is not actual political analysis. In art you can say and do anything. In some art you will find a reflection of reality and in some art it might prove eerily prophetic, and that is all that Murray takes from The Camp of the Saints. You can look at demographic projections and you can see exactly what will happen.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Europe is not for the world or that America does not owe the world a living and that countries and people have a primary responsibility for their own people first. If fertility rates are high in Nigeria, then that is a Nigeria problem, it should not be a Europe problem.

Now you say that I think non white people cannot be British and accuse me of racism yet again which is slander. I am someone who can get a little bit irritated by people who cannot debate a topic. You are either a troll, or else you are a rather reduced Beanz and if you are the latter I am a little bit disappointed because your argument is a) Pathetic and b) Not even related to the topic that you started. This is unworthy and easy. It is a caricature of Beanz. As much as I dislike Beanz he was more able than this feeble imitation.

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It is telling that in a thread about tax avoidance that the continued scam of neoconservatives using immigrants as a convenient scapegoat is the first thing mentioned by those wanting to blow a dog whistle to alert their fellow racists.

Make no mistake Murray is a bigoted racist white supremacist and he like Bannon is part of a campaign to push white supremacy. This is the book he and Bannon see as 'prophetic'. It is why he Trump and Bannon think all Muslims should be banned and repatriated. It is why Murray the loathsome cunt claims that all Indians have brought to the UK is cuisine. Just like Gandalf and his similar broad racist propaganda in which non-White means non British, in fact even many whites are to him not British enough despite being born here. Here is the book https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entr...b0284854b3dc03

No, this is simply not good enough. If this is Beanz, then I am actually a bit disappointed by the quality of the 'debate' going on here. I am going to have to either concede that Beanz has been hit on the head (again) or that this is simply not Beanz.

The book is prophetic, and probably quite racist, though the author of that book later conceded that the scale of immigration in fact far exceeded the numbers given in the book.

What do you mean by white supremacy? The concept that Europe is the home of particular groups who have no other place to go to in the world if they are usurped, then is that white supremacy? Is there black supremacy in Nigeria? Should Europeans all move there? Is there 'Asian' supremacy in India where foreigners are prohibited from purchasing property? You cannot have it all ways? Are the Japanese supremacists too because they carefully control the borders of their fine and exceptional country? Or does this supremacy deal only apply to those of a paler skin colour in Europe and America because they dare to consider that their homeland is theirs and that they should have priority over people who do not have citizenship or in many cases have not even attempted to move to a country legally?

Now is the book tasteful? No. Is it nice? No. However, that does not subtract from its message that Europe will in time become dominated by illegal invaders who will not integrate? No. Books do not have to be tasteful. Conrad's The Heart of Darkness was not tasteful. William Burrough's Naked Lunch was not tasteful. However, that does not detract from the power of the literature. Literature is art, it is not actual political analysis. In art you can say and do anything. In some art you will find a reflection of reality and in some art it might prove eerily prophetic, and that is all that Murray takes from The Camp of the Saints. You can look at demographic projections and you can see exactly what will happen.

There is nothing wrong with believing that Europe is not for the world or that America does not owe the world a living and that countries and people have a primary responsibility for their own people first. If fertility rates are high in Nigeria, then that is a Nigeria problem, it should not be a Europe problem.

Now you say that I think non white people cannot be British and accuse me of racism yet again which is slander. I am someone who can get a little bit irritated by people who cannot debate a topic. You are either a troll, or else you are a rather reduced Beanz and if you are the latter I am a little bit disappointed because your argument is a) Pathetic and b) Not even related to the topic that you started. This is unworthy and easy. It is a caricature of Beanz. As much as I dislike Beanz he was more able than this feeble imitation.

Prophetic and only 'Probably quite racist'?


The plot of The Camp of the Saints follows a poor Indian demagogue, named “the turd-eater” because he literally eats shit, and the deformed, apparently psychic child who sits on his shoulders. Together, they lead an “armada” of 800,000 impoverished Indians sailing to France. Dithering European politicians, bureaucrats and religious leaders, including a liberal pope from Latin America, debate whether to let the ships land and accept the Indians or to do the right thing — in the book’s vision — by recognizing the threat the migrants pose and killing them all.

Only white Europeans like Calgues are portrayed as truly human in The Camp of the Saints. The Indian armada brings “thousands of wretched creatures” whose very bodies arouse disgust: “Scraggy branches, brown and black … All bare, those fleshless Gandhi-arms.” Poor brown children are spoiled fruit “starting to rot, all wormy inside, or turned so you can’t see the mold.”

The ship’s inhabitants are also sexual deviants who turn the voyage into a grotesque orgy. “Everywhere, rivers of sperm,” Raspail writes. “Streaming over bodies, oozing between breasts, and buttocks, and thighs, and lips, and fingers.”

The white Christian world is on the brink of destruction, the novel suggests, because these black and brown people are more fertile and more numerous, while the West has lost that necessary belief in its own cultural and racial superiority. As he talks to the hippie he will soon kill, Calgues explains how the youth went so wrong: “That scorn of a people for other races, the knowledge that one’s own is best, the triumphant joy at feeling oneself to be part of humanity’s finest — none of that had ever filled these youngsters’ addled brains.”

[Gandalf]

Is it not true that birth rates are higher in poor countries and that most of the refugees are economic migrants? That is quite true.

The book is literature, it is not political analysis. I think you need to actually read Murray's book rather than read articles that jump aspects of tiny parts of it. Murray himself admits that the book you are quoting from has become decried as racist, but the general point I made in my first sentence above is the key one.

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Is it not true that birth rates are higher in poor countries and that most of the refugees are economic migrants? That is quite true.

The book is literature, it is not political analysis. I think you need to actually read Murray's book rather than read articles that jump aspects of tiny parts of it. Murray himself admits that the book you are quoting from has become decried as racist, but the general point I made in my first sentence above is the key one.

Stop backtracking. First you blame the extreme rise in wealth inequality in the UK on Migrants. Then you quote a well known white supremacist Islamaphobe to further distract from the main reasons, a man like you who uses propaganda and lies to silence anyone who does not subscribe to his rampant xenophobia. Then when some of the source material that Bannon, Murray and Now YOU claim to be prophetic is shown quite clearly to be a racist piece of garbage you are revealed as the idealogue using lies to defend your racism.

No it is not true that most of the Refugees in Europe are economic migrants. Most of them are from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq over the last 10 years but you would like to pretend that white Europeans and their pasty American counterparts had no part in that.

Stop blaming your bilious pessimistic defeatist ignorant attitude on migrants. Europe has not signed up to you emo self centered death trope just because you would like to live in la la land. Europe was never the exclusive home of white people you moronic gammon head.

[Gandalf]

Your arguments are very weak. You clearly know very little of the topic you are attempting to debate.

1.Prove that the refugees are genuine refugees.
2. Prove that they mostly come from those countries.
3. Prove that they are not economic migrants.
4. Explain why the people of Europe have an obligation to take any of them in.
5. Prove that migration does not cost a substantial.amount of money.
6. Prove that migrants are not lying about their age.
7. Prove that rises in violent crime is not caused by migrants throughout many parts of Europe.
8. Tell me where the Europeans can call their home.

Show me data. Give me reasons. Tell me why I am wrong without resorting to weak slander nor ad hominem.

[Gandalf]

And nope, I have never supported any of the illegal wars. I am NOT responsible for any of those conflicts. If Lilly Allen wants to take in a refugee she is perfectly welcome to, but she changed her mind. Surprise, surprise.

[El Kabong]

He's banned already?!?!? That was fast



What for? Mods, I'd like an explanation if one of you would be so kind...you can DM me if that suits you better.